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	<title>Comments on: Canada Line&#8217;s station layouts, design suck?</title>
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		<title>By: M.Cox</title>
		<link>http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized/canada-lines-station-layouts-design-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-16064</link>
		<dc:creator>M.Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would / could someone point me to the tunnel which connects passengers on the millenium line to the Canada line at Granville Station? I know there has to be one; it would be a &quot;world class embarrassment&quot; if there wasn&#039;t. So where is it? And of course there must be a tunnel for commuters connecting the two lines at Waterfront; again, i couldn&#039;t find it on a station map nor by walking around until I was so lost I had to go up to Hastings, get my bearings, and walk in the rain to the other station on lower Granville. This can&#039;t be, I thought: I must just not be very good at negotiating this system, even though I have no trouble in Paris, London, New York, Toronto, Montreal,....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would / could someone point me to the tunnel which connects passengers on the millenium line to the Canada line at Granville Station? I know there has to be one; it would be a &#8220;world class embarrassment&#8221; if there wasn&#8217;t. So where is it? And of course there must be a tunnel for commuters connecting the two lines at Waterfront; again, i couldn&#8217;t find it on a station map nor by walking around until I was so lost I had to go up to Hastings, get my bearings, and walk in the rain to the other station on lower Granville. This can&#8217;t be, I thought: I must just not be very good at negotiating this system, even though I have no trouble in Paris, London, New York, Toronto, Montreal,&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: stu</title>
		<link>http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized/canada-lines-station-layouts-design-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-14871</link>
		<dc:creator>stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The RAV line stations are an architectural failure. Built and designed at the lowest possible cost, this is what we get: more sterile concrete and glass structures, and station interiors that look like giant washrooms. The Broadway and Cambie station is particularly ugly - using concrete to pave vast amounts amounts of real estate, rather than building a simple park with benches. http://bit.ly/VjNrW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The RAV line stations are an architectural failure. Built and designed at the lowest possible cost, this is what we get: more sterile concrete and glass structures, and station interiors that look like giant washrooms. The Broadway and Cambie station is particularly ugly &#8211; using concrete to pave vast amounts amounts of real estate, rather than building a simple park with benches. <a href="http://bit.ly/VjNrW" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/VjNrW</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized/canada-lines-station-layouts-design-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-14785</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Daniel 

Wow - thats a whole lot of complaining. 

Those former express bus users now have a choice of more departure times. 

But, if they ever bring the express buses back to direct downtown service, they will charge the premium fare they originally intended to charge when those coach-style express buses were contemplated. 

For some reason, those users have been getting a special deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Daniel </p>
<p>Wow &#8211; thats a whole lot of complaining. </p>
<p>Those former express bus users now have a choice of more departure times. </p>
<p>But, if they ever bring the express buses back to direct downtown service, they will charge the premium fare they originally intended to charge when those coach-style express buses were contemplated. </p>
<p>For some reason, those users have been getting a special deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 02:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel. you said it, &quot;It’s a lot better than the 98-B-Line, that’s for sure.&quot;. I only took the  98-B-Line a few times but it was always packed and slow. It was especially miserable on rainy days. The Canada Line is a lot better. I can&#039;t wait until the 99b is replaced by rail, hopefully SkyTrain.

Regarding bicycles, from http://www.translink.ca/en/Rider-Info/Canada-Line/Features.aspx

Each train can carry two bicycles (one per train car), in all directions during all hours of operation, as long as space is available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel. you said it, &#8220;It’s a lot better than the 98-B-Line, that’s for sure.&#8221;. I only took the  98-B-Line a few times but it was always packed and slow. It was especially miserable on rainy days. The Canada Line is a lot better. I can&#8217;t wait until the 99b is replaced by rail, hopefully SkyTrain.</p>
<p>Regarding bicycles, from <a href="http://www.translink.ca/en/Rider-Info/Canada-Line/Features.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.translink.ca/en/Rider-Info/Canada-Line/Features.aspx</a></p>
<p>Each train can carry two bicycles (one per train car), in all directions during all hours of operation, as long as space is available.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was shocked when they were building the skytrain - and discovered that the track from the Lansdowne station to the Brighouse station was single-track! This limits the maximum number of trains. At the Waterfront station it is double-tracked but they only use one side; eventually they will need to use both.

In the mornings starting at  about 7:20 there are several hundred people on the Brighouse platform. There are lineups in front of each door, and a minimum one-car wait. The bicyclists are always there even though we were promised that they would only be allowed in the counterflow direction. Since trains from Brighouse are mostly full by the Casino (Bridgeport) station, the people on the Casino platform need to wait for a less-full train from the airport. That platform is even more packed because of all the commuter buses that empty out there.

Sooner or later someone will be bumped off the platform onto the tracks, as has happened a few times on the Expo line. We need double-doors on platforms for everyone&#039;s safety!

I hope enough people will complain to make a difference. Due to the undersized design, Translink will need to allow the return of the express buses from Ladner and Steveston to Oak street. These buses are quite comfortable although the engine is quite noisy in the back. Commuters want to be able to sit down on their journey and read or sleep. That is how you get them out of their cars and carpools.

 These express buses take about 15 minutes longer to get downtown but that&#039;s about the same amount of time as getting off the bus at Bridgeport, climbing up to the platform, and waiting for two packed trains to pass by. That&#039;s the second key benefit of transit: it&#039;s supposed to be faster than driving!

I can still drive to/from work faster than the Canada line due to the time it takes to walk to and from the trains. But driving costs me $400/month and transit only costs $99. So, I can live with it. It&#039;s a lot better than the 98-B-Line, that&#039;s for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was shocked when they were building the skytrain &#8211; and discovered that the track from the Lansdowne station to the Brighouse station was single-track! This limits the maximum number of trains. At the Waterfront station it is double-tracked but they only use one side; eventually they will need to use both.</p>
<p>In the mornings starting at  about 7:20 there are several hundred people on the Brighouse platform. There are lineups in front of each door, and a minimum one-car wait. The bicyclists are always there even though we were promised that they would only be allowed in the counterflow direction. Since trains from Brighouse are mostly full by the Casino (Bridgeport) station, the people on the Casino platform need to wait for a less-full train from the airport. That platform is even more packed because of all the commuter buses that empty out there.</p>
<p>Sooner or later someone will be bumped off the platform onto the tracks, as has happened a few times on the Expo line. We need double-doors on platforms for everyone&#8217;s safety!</p>
<p>I hope enough people will complain to make a difference. Due to the undersized design, Translink will need to allow the return of the express buses from Ladner and Steveston to Oak street. These buses are quite comfortable although the engine is quite noisy in the back. Commuters want to be able to sit down on their journey and read or sleep. That is how you get them out of their cars and carpools.</p>
<p> These express buses take about 15 minutes longer to get downtown but that&#8217;s about the same amount of time as getting off the bus at Bridgeport, climbing up to the platform, and waiting for two packed trains to pass by. That&#8217;s the second key benefit of transit: it&#8217;s supposed to be faster than driving!</p>
<p>I can still drive to/from work faster than the Canada line due to the time it takes to walk to and from the trains. But driving costs me $400/month and transit only costs $99. So, I can live with it. It&#8217;s a lot better than the 98-B-Line, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: michael geller</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael geller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting comments.  I was very disappointed with the very utilitarian station designs when I had a preview ride.  However, I am hopeful that over time, the stations will be treated as &#039;blank canvases&#039; for future public art initiatives.

Recognizing funding constraints, I would like to see a program that teams up Vancouver&#039;s major corporations and philanthropists with Translink to initiate significant art projects.  There is so much that could be done to enhance the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comments.  I was very disappointed with the very utilitarian station designs when I had a preview ride.  However, I am hopeful that over time, the stations will be treated as &#8216;blank canvases&#8217; for future public art initiatives.</p>
<p>Recognizing funding constraints, I would like to see a program that teams up Vancouver&#8217;s major corporations and philanthropists with Translink to initiate significant art projects.  There is so much that could be done to enhance the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is tonnes of room to improve Canada Line capacity. As someone already mentioned, they can add in their spare trains, and buy MORE trains to run more frequently (8 minutes is a bit silly anyway). 

And, when demand is there, they can buy middle cars that will join the two end cars.  The stations were built to accommodate the 3-car trains and require minimal construction.

As for the look and feel, let`s also not forget that the line opened early so the retail space and art has not been fitted yet.  I must agree that they missed some opportunities for station design - Yaletown is an example where the station does not at all fit with it surroundings.

But, WE HAVE IT! And, as we would do with our own home renos or additions, they had to limit the scope to fit the budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is tonnes of room to improve Canada Line capacity. As someone already mentioned, they can add in their spare trains, and buy MORE trains to run more frequently (8 minutes is a bit silly anyway). </p>
<p>And, when demand is there, they can buy middle cars that will join the two end cars.  The stations were built to accommodate the 3-car trains and require minimal construction.</p>
<p>As for the look and feel, let`s also not forget that the line opened early so the retail space and art has not been fitted yet.  I must agree that they missed some opportunities for station design &#8211; Yaletown is an example where the station does not at all fit with it surroundings.</p>
<p>But, WE HAVE IT! And, as we would do with our own home renos or additions, they had to limit the scope to fit the budget.</p>
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		<title>By: The Blackbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Blackbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 03:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me if you find one knitbombed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me if you find one knitbombed.</p>
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		<title>By: Evil Eye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evil Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Lee, the Dresden schwebebahn (German for hanging railway) is a monorail funicular with each car counterbalancing the other and pulled along by a cable, thus not a true powered monorail.

Older than the Wuppetal, the Dresden Schwebebahn is a historic transportation curiosity, as with the Volks electric Railway and the Great Orme Tramway.

As for the latest news in public transit, try the Light Rail Transit Association at www.lrta.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Lee, the Dresden schwebebahn (German for hanging railway) is a monorail funicular with each car counterbalancing the other and pulled along by a cable, thus not a true powered monorail.</p>
<p>Older than the Wuppetal, the Dresden Schwebebahn is a historic transportation curiosity, as with the Volks electric Railway and the Great Orme Tramway.</p>
<p>As for the latest news in public transit, try the Light Rail Transit Association at <a href="http://www.lrta.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.lrta.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And really!  Enthusiasts should be subscribing to  Blickpunkt Straßenbahn   
 http://blickpunktstrab.twoday.net/topics/English+Pages/    or better (auf Deutsch) http://blickpunktstrab.twoday.net/   a cheap bimonthly that covers the world.   You never know when you want to mentioned the lastest news from Mongolia, Argentina, Zurich etc.

   If you want to play with your own set, and Vancouver is one predone for you, see Jan Bochmann&#039;s Bahn  which was cuter in the DOS versions  http://www.jbss.de/downl_e.htm
but made you ashamed at the head times in the exurbs as you watched in real-time.    DOS version could be set up as a real-time screen saver showing a street, intersection or the entire system with little caterpillar warms crawling over the screen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And really!  Enthusiasts should be subscribing to  Blickpunkt Straßenbahn<br />
 <a href="http://blickpunktstrab.twoday.net/topics/English+Pages/" rel="nofollow">http://blickpunktstrab.twoday.net/topics/English+Pages/</a>    or better (auf Deutsch) <a href="http://blickpunktstrab.twoday.net/" rel="nofollow">http://blickpunktstrab.twoday.net/</a>   a cheap bimonthly that covers the world.   You never know when you want to mentioned the lastest news from Mongolia, Argentina, Zurich etc.</p>
<p>   If you want to play with your own set, and Vancouver is one predone for you, see Jan Bochmann&#8217;s Bahn  which was cuter in the DOS versions  <a href="http://www.jbss.de/downl_e.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.jbss.de/downl_e.htm</a><br />
but made you ashamed at the head times in the exurbs as you watched in real-time.    DOS version could be set up as a real-time screen saver showing a street, intersection or the entire system with little caterpillar warms crawling over the screen.</p>
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