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		<title>By: Bill Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Light reading on the topic    

Back in May 2009, Dave Eaves promotes his motion, by way of dimwit Andrea Reimer
http://eaves.ca/2009/05/14/vancouver-enters-the-age-of-the-open-city/

and then clears up the notion some months later.
http://eaves.ca/2009/09/25/misunderstanding-and-understanding-the-open-data-hype/

Early version of the mapping idea in the UK in 2006.  That&#039;s about right, Vancouver is infamous for being at least 3 years behind in fashion which is why gurus can appear to be magic at ECCIAD or SCARP or Fashion Week.
        www.freeourdata.org.uk/index.php

Overlong explanation of Free Open Source GIS software. Go to wiki on Grass software
 &quot; GRASS A (not so) short overview of the Geographic Information System GRASS&quot; By Matteo Dell&#039;Omodarme and Giada Valle
      linuxgazette.net/156/dellomodarme.html

 
What the kids with their blocks do with &quot;Open Data.&quot;  And note the dates, they don&#039;t maintain it or give revision dates.  Light and interesting, even the lacunae.
        www.socialtext.net/vandata/index.cgi
More thoughts on one project as a result of Vancouver Open Data 
       www.socialtext.net/lukec/index.cgi?reflections_on_a_vantrash_article

At the root, what the semi-organized public are doing with the OpenData
       www.socialtext.net/vandata/

Last Vancouver Hackathon, and who showed interest. Sponsored by Vancouver Museum.
       www.socialtext.net/vandata/index.cgi?open_data_hackathon_december_2009

Not very good attempt at showing Open data possiblities, beyond maps into genetics, politics, social measures   See especially     www.isitopendata.org/about/
       www.readwriteweb.com/archives/where_to_find_open_data_on_the.php

Other issues in Canada and abroad
      www.thestar.com/news/article/738305--geist-canada-dragging-its-feet-on-open-data-initiatives</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Light reading on the topic    </p>
<p>Back in May 2009, Dave Eaves promotes his motion, by way of dimwit Andrea Reimer<br />
<a href="http://eaves.ca/2009/05/14/vancouver-enters-the-age-of-the-open-city/" rel="nofollow">http://eaves.ca/2009/05/14/vancouver-enters-the-age-of-the-open-city/</a></p>
<p>and then clears up the notion some months later.<br />
<a href="http://eaves.ca/2009/09/25/misunderstanding-and-understanding-the-open-data-hype/" rel="nofollow">http://eaves.ca/2009/09/25/misunderstanding-and-understanding-the-open-data-hype/</a></p>
<p>Early version of the mapping idea in the UK in 2006.  That&#8217;s about right, Vancouver is infamous for being at least 3 years behind in fashion which is why gurus can appear to be magic at ECCIAD or SCARP or Fashion Week.<br />
        <a href="http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/index.php</a></p>
<p>Overlong explanation of Free Open Source GIS software. Go to wiki on Grass software<br />
 &#8221; GRASS A (not so) short overview of the Geographic Information System GRASS&#8221; By Matteo Dell&#8217;Omodarme and Giada Valle<br />
      linuxgazette.net/156/dellomodarme.html</p>
<p>What the kids with their blocks do with &#8220;Open Data.&#8221;  And note the dates, they don&#8217;t maintain it or give revision dates.  Light and interesting, even the lacunae.<br />
        <a href="http://www.socialtext.net/vandata/index.cgi" rel="nofollow">http://www.socialtext.net/vandata/index.cgi</a><br />
More thoughts on one project as a result of Vancouver Open Data<br />
       <a href="http://www.socialtext.net/lukec/index.cgi?reflections_on_a_vantrash_article" rel="nofollow">http://www.socialtext.net/lukec/index.cgi?reflections_on_a_vantrash_article</a></p>
<p>At the root, what the semi-organized public are doing with the OpenData<br />
       <a href="http://www.socialtext.net/vandata/" rel="nofollow">http://www.socialtext.net/vandata/</a></p>
<p>Last Vancouver Hackathon, and who showed interest. Sponsored by Vancouver Museum.<br />
       <a href="http://www.socialtext.net/vandata/index.cgi?open_data_hackathon_december_2009" rel="nofollow">http://www.socialtext.net/vandata/index.cgi?open_data_hackathon_december_2009</a></p>
<p>Not very good attempt at showing Open data possiblities, beyond maps into genetics, politics, social measures   See especially     <a href="http://www.isitopendata.org/about/" rel="nofollow">http://www.isitopendata.org/about/</a><br />
       <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/where_to_find_open_data_on_the.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/where_to_find_open_data_on_the.php</a></p>
<p>Other issues in Canada and abroad<br />
      <a href="http://www.thestar.com/news/article/738305--geist-canada-dragging-its-feet-on-open-data-initiatives" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestar.com/news/article/738305&#8211;geist-canada-dragging-its-feet-on-open-data-initiatives</a></p>
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		<title>By: el chief</title>
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		<dc:creator>el chief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really wish someone would put up a list of all the buildings in Vancouver (like, office buildings - #floors, height, sq footage etc). Altus Insight and others have some listings but they are expensive. 

Seriously, why is this so hard to come by?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really wish someone would put up a list of all the buildings in Vancouver (like, office buildings &#8211; #floors, height, sq footage etc). Altus Insight and others have some listings but they are expensive. </p>
<p>Seriously, why is this so hard to come by?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Petrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Petrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CORRECTION re web site for Vancouver GHG&#039;s,
in last posting

Should be: 

http://vancouver.ca/sustainability/documents/2008GHGInventoryMethodologiesDocument20091210.pdf

Also note http://vancouver.ca/sustainability/documents/ghgperpersonglobal2008.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CORRECTION re web site for Vancouver GHG&#8217;s,<br />
in last posting</p>
<p>Should be: </p>
<p><a href="http://vancouver.ca/sustainability/documents/2008GHGInventoryMethodologiesDocument20091210.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://vancouver.ca/sustainability/documents/2008GHGInventoryMethodologiesDocument20091210.pdf</a></p>
<p>Also note <a href="http://vancouver.ca/sustainability/documents/ghgperpersonglobal2008.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://vancouver.ca/sustainability/documents/ghgperpersonglobal2008.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jon Petrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Petrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder about Vancouver City &#039;data&#039;.

 Some weeks ago, I emailed Vancouver&#039;s Climate Change Program Manager, Sean Pander asking if the claimed North America&#039;s lowest figure of 4.6 metric tons of green house gases (GHG&#039;s) per capita included GHG&#039;a produced in the Port of Vancouver, by the cement plant on Granville Island, by planes at the airport. The question has not been answered. Nor has a follow up question asking for an explanation of the very different ratios of building to transport GHG&#039;s in Seattle and Vancouver per websites. (Road transport GHG is almost twice building GHG in Seattle -- in Vancouver road transport is roughly a third less than building GHG.) 

[ Web sites: http://seattle.gov/climate/docs/2008-community-summary.pdf and 2008GHGInventoryMethodologiesDocument20091210.pdf -- an email to Vancouver Councilor David Cadman referencing my unanswered emails to Mr Pender and asking for an answer also has gone unanswered.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder about Vancouver City &#8216;data&#8217;.</p>
<p> Some weeks ago, I emailed Vancouver&#8217;s Climate Change Program Manager, Sean Pander asking if the claimed North America&#8217;s lowest figure of 4.6 metric tons of green house gases (GHG&#8217;s) per capita included GHG&#8217;a produced in the Port of Vancouver, by the cement plant on Granville Island, by planes at the airport. The question has not been answered. Nor has a follow up question asking for an explanation of the very different ratios of building to transport GHG&#8217;s in Seattle and Vancouver per websites. (Road transport GHG is almost twice building GHG in Seattle &#8212; in Vancouver road transport is roughly a third less than building GHG.) </p>
<p>[ Web sites: <a href="http://seattle.gov/climate/docs/2008-community-summary.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://seattle.gov/climate/docs/2008-community-summary.pdf</a> and 2008GHGInventoryMethodologiesDocument20091210.pdf -- an email to Vancouver Councilor David Cadman referencing my unanswered emails to Mr Pender and asking for an answer also has gone unanswered.]</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Closs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Closs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bill Lee - have you taken the survey at data.vancouver.ca or otherwise given them your feedback about what data sets you want to see?  I concur it&#039;s easier to just grumble on some unrelated blog than to give structured feedback in the manner requested by the city.

Can you explain why child hackers are any less worthy of using data? Can only cool stuff be done by Grumpy Old Folks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bill Lee &#8211; have you taken the survey at data.vancouver.ca or otherwise given them your feedback about what data sets you want to see?  I concur it&#8217;s easier to just grumble on some unrelated blog than to give structured feedback in the manner requested by the city.</p>
<p>Can you explain why child hackers are any less worthy of using data? Can only cool stuff be done by Grumpy Old Folks?</p>
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		<title>By: Blaffergassted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blaffergassted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a great idea for democracy.
But a bad political move because the data &lt;i&gt;will be manipulated&lt;/i&gt;!

I approve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a great idea for democracy.<br />
But a bad political move because the data <i>will be manipulated</i>!</p>
<p>I approve.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this. I&#039;m going to admit that, as a relatively non-geeky, non-tech person, I&#039;ve been meaning to learn more about the advantage of this open data I&#039;ve been hearing about. It&#039;s always sounded like &quot;a good thing&quot; but I&#039;ve never quite got my mind around this topic that&#039;s been on my big, long &quot;learn more about this&quot; list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this. I&#8217;m going to admit that, as a relatively non-geeky, non-tech person, I&#8217;ve been meaning to learn more about the advantage of this open data I&#8217;ve been hearing about. It&#8217;s always sounded like &#8220;a good thing&#8221; but I&#8217;ve never quite got my mind around this topic that&#8217;s been on my big, long &#8220;learn more about this&#8221; list.</p>
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		<title>By: DrData</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrData</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even plain data needs tools to manipulate it. GIS manipulates plain geo-coded data to be visualized on a map. So one needs data , metadata and  tools = Manipulated Information. 

In any event much kudos to the City of Vancouver  and Open Data. ... (Don&#039;t Fence My Data)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even plain data needs tools to manipulate it. GIS manipulates plain geo-coded data to be visualized on a map. So one needs data , metadata and  tools = Manipulated Information. </p>
<p>In any event much kudos to the City of Vancouver  and Open Data. &#8230; (Don&#8217;t Fence My Data)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.   But election results have polling station numbers that can be geo coordinated.
  Tax Assessment tables have a geo Location code as well as  a street address.

  Those two don&#039;t have specific GIS format files in the table, but that is the beauty of GIS. You get points, vectors (lines), polygonal areas, and you attach values from the internal GIS file and from external tables such as street address and assessments.

  The two items you mentioned don&#039;t have DWG, KHL, SHP files in the table.
  Most software for those files are expensive.  And ESRI&#039;s ARCview and ArcGIS are the Microsoft&#039;s of mapping software.    
  Others will use GRASS or other FOSS software to add them in.   

  (One of the few advantages of the Olympics was that we got a second round of street scanning/mapping from Microsoft&#039;s Bing and Google&#039;s Map and StreetView, much like Starbucks first entry in to a foreign country with its trials shops in Vancouver.)

   The City was nice enough that if you click on the table headers at http://data.vancouver.ca/datacatalogue/index.htm       you get http://data.vancouver.ca/dataFormats.htm  which explains what the new alphabet soup is.  And in that they linked to Wikipedia articles in each for newcomers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.   But election results have polling station numbers that can be geo coordinated.<br />
  Tax Assessment tables have a geo Location code as well as  a street address.</p>
<p>  Those two don&#8217;t have specific GIS format files in the table, but that is the beauty of GIS. You get points, vectors (lines), polygonal areas, and you attach values from the internal GIS file and from external tables such as street address and assessments.</p>
<p>  The two items you mentioned don&#8217;t have DWG, KHL, SHP files in the table.<br />
  Most software for those files are expensive.  And ESRI&#8217;s ARCview and ArcGIS are the Microsoft&#8217;s of mapping software.<br />
  Others will use GRASS or other FOSS software to add them in.   </p>
<p>  (One of the few advantages of the Olympics was that we got a second round of street scanning/mapping from Microsoft&#8217;s Bing and Google&#8217;s Map and StreetView, much like Starbucks first entry in to a foreign country with its trials shops in Vancouver.)</p>
<p>   The City was nice enough that if you click on the table headers at <a href="http://data.vancouver.ca/datacatalogue/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://data.vancouver.ca/datacatalogue/index.htm</a>       you get <a href="http://data.vancouver.ca/dataFormats.htm" rel="nofollow">http://data.vancouver.ca/dataFormats.htm</a>  which explains what the new alphabet soup is.  And in that they linked to Wikipedia articles in each for newcomers.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a good start. I&#039;m sure GIS data is the easiest to upload originally, and has a lot of quick value to mashup hackers.

There are two pieces of non-GIS data in there: election results and property tax assessments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a good start. I&#8217;m sure GIS data is the easiest to upload originally, and has a lot of quick value to mashup hackers.</p>
<p>There are two pieces of non-GIS data in there: election results and property tax assessments.</p>
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