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	<title>Comments on: How did Tim Louis come so close to winning?</title>
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		<title>By: jf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles, If that was the case then they weren&#039;t very smart or strategic. If Cadman had been nominated on the first ballot, all of his voters could have gone with Woodsworth and Wong and put Tim way out of it. Instead they had to keep another vote for Cadman on the 2nd ballot thereby splitting their second vote between Woodsworth and Wong so Tim was able to stay ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, If that was the case then they weren&#8217;t very smart or strategic. If Cadman had been nominated on the first ballot, all of his voters could have gone with Woodsworth and Wong and put Tim way out of it. Instead they had to keep another vote for Cadman on the 2nd ballot thereby splitting their second vote between Woodsworth and Wong so Tim was able to stay ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Demers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Demers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jf -- I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a matter of Cadman not having the support of the majority of the party.  Rather, I think it&#039;s a matter of people seeing his nomination as such a foregone conclusion that they could go ahead and vote strategically for their second and third choices, in the hopes that one of them would be in a better position for the second slot.

And Frances, rather than waiting for a day when you can properly identify white-skinned voters as just as racial and just as bloc-voting as anybody else... why not just start now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jf &#8212; I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a matter of Cadman not having the support of the majority of the party.  Rather, I think it&#8217;s a matter of people seeing his nomination as such a foregone conclusion that they could go ahead and vote strategically for their second and third choices, in the hopes that one of them would be in a better position for the second slot.</p>
<p>And Frances, rather than waiting for a day when you can properly identify white-skinned voters as just as racial and just as bloc-voting as anybody else&#8230; why not just start now?</p>
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		<title>By: charles demers</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles demers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jf -- it&#039;s not that David doesn&#039;t have the support of the majority of the party, or at least that&#039;s not how I saw it.  Many people must have figured that David would easily take the nomination, so their votes could best be used to prop up their second and third choices in the hopes of getting the number two spot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jf &#8212; it&#8217;s not that David doesn&#8217;t have the support of the majority of the party, or at least that&#8217;s not how I saw it.  Many people must have figured that David would easily take the nomination, so their votes could best be used to prop up their second and third choices in the hopes of getting the number two spot.</p>
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		<title>By: brent granby</title>
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		<dc:creator>brent granby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have photos of the nomination meeting posted at:http://www.flickr.com/photos/brentgranby/

for a visual feel of the meeting. there are a couple of photos of frances hard at work blogging. i missed the shot of her posting with her blackberry.

brent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have photos of the nomination meeting posted at:http://www.flickr.com/photos/brentgranby/</p>
<p>for a visual feel of the meeting. there are a couple of photos of frances hard at work blogging. i missed the shot of her posting with her blackberry.</p>
<p>brent</p>
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		<title>By: The Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about dodging a bullet - congrats to the successful candidates!

www.bcandbeyond.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about dodging a bullet &#8211; congrats to the successful candidates!</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Steele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This looks like a nice, well-rounded school board slate - the two very experienced incumbents, plus a parent, a former teacher and a student who all have a good deal of experience between them, plus some good diversity in the mix. 

COPE has always been a strong voice of reason on School Board and their experience will be needed, given the tough, and very complex challenges facing the board at this time.

I can also see this crew working very well with and providing a nice balance with the four that Vision has picked! Congrats, COPE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks like a nice, well-rounded school board slate &#8211; the two very experienced incumbents, plus a parent, a former teacher and a student who all have a good deal of experience between them, plus some good diversity in the mix. </p>
<p>COPE has always been a strong voice of reason on School Board and their experience will be needed, given the tough, and very complex challenges facing the board at this time.</p>
<p>I can also see this crew working very well with and providing a nice balance with the four that Vision has picked! Congrats, COPE.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Steele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like a nice, well-rounded school board slate - the two very experienced incumbents, plus a parent, a former teacher and a student who all have a good deal of experience between them, plus some good diversity in the mix. 

COPE has always been a strong voice of reason on School Board and their experience will be needed, given the tough, and very complex challenges facing the board at this time.

I can also see this crew working very well with and providing a nice balance with the four that Vision has picked! Congrats, COPE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like a nice, well-rounded school board slate &#8211; the two very experienced incumbents, plus a parent, a former teacher and a student who all have a good deal of experience between them, plus some good diversity in the mix. </p>
<p>COPE has always been a strong voice of reason on School Board and their experience will be needed, given the tough, and very complex challenges facing the board at this time.</p>
<p>I can also see this crew working very well with and providing a nice balance with the four that Vision has picked! Congrats, COPE.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Tomlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Tomlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an odd spin to place on Tim Louis&#039; almost victory at the 2008 COPE Nomination Conference, to title the piece &quot;How did Tim Louis come so close to winning?&quot;

Tim came close the way other candidates come close (say, David Eby&#039;s bid for a Vision Vancouver Council nomination): because they&#039;ve got the support of the membership!

Had the voting process taken place as it always has - which is to say, that the top vote-getting candidates win on the first ballot - Tim would have been a clear winner on the first ballot.

Instead, there were some (what I&#039;d call) &quot;dirty tricks&quot; by members of the the COPE Executive to implement a 50% plus one initiative, in a bid to - one would think - deny Tim Louis a well-deserved COPE nomination. 
 
Personally, I&#039;m sick and tired of the continual demonization of Tim Louis - perhaps, the only true democrat among the Council candidates for the various civic parties.  Which is to say ... Tim Louis as the &quot;anti-politician&quot;, as a candidate for the people, and not the &quot;process&quot;, as someone not out for his own personal aggrandizement, but an individual who truly wants to work for, and with us, to help create a fairer society for us all.

And that&#039;s supposed to be a &quot;bad thing&quot;?

As for Phil Rankin ... one could offer a trenchant psychological analysis as to why Phil fails to support the only COPE candidate who supports the values, traditions and goals his father espoused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an odd spin to place on Tim Louis&#8217; almost victory at the 2008 COPE Nomination Conference, to title the piece &#8220;How did Tim Louis come so close to winning?&#8221;</p>
<p>Tim came close the way other candidates come close (say, David Eby&#8217;s bid for a Vision Vancouver Council nomination): because they&#8217;ve got the support of the membership!</p>
<p>Had the voting process taken place as it always has &#8211; which is to say, that the top vote-getting candidates win on the first ballot &#8211; Tim would have been a clear winner on the first ballot.</p>
<p>Instead, there were some (what I&#8217;d call) &#8220;dirty tricks&#8221; by members of the the COPE Executive to implement a 50% plus one initiative, in a bid to &#8211; one would think &#8211; deny Tim Louis a well-deserved COPE nomination. </p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m sick and tired of the continual demonization of Tim Louis &#8211; perhaps, the only true democrat among the Council candidates for the various civic parties.  Which is to say &#8230; Tim Louis as the &#8220;anti-politician&#8221;, as a candidate for the people, and not the &#8220;process&#8221;, as someone not out for his own personal aggrandizement, but an individual who truly wants to work for, and with us, to help create a fairer society for us all.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s supposed to be a &#8220;bad thing&#8221;?</p>
<p>As for Phil Rankin &#8230; one could offer a trenchant psychological analysis as to why Phil fails to support the only COPE candidate who supports the values, traditions and goals his father espoused.</p>
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		<title>By: Stevevbc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stevevbc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 04:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim was one of the most accountable councillor&#039;s Vancouver has had over the last decade. Its a shame he wasn&#039;t elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim was one of the most accountable councillor&#8217;s Vancouver has had over the last decade. Its a shame he wasn&#8217;t elected.</p>
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		<title>By: Vancouver-Kingsway 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vancouver-Kingsway 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Grace under Pressure Award goes to Meena Wong, hands down. When she stepped down and took herself out of the race it had to be a tough decision and an interesting thing to analyze. 

With Terry Martin dropping off and Meena stepping out, Ellen Woodsworth only picked up another 10 votes, from the 200 cast for the former two candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Grace under Pressure Award goes to Meena Wong, hands down. When she stepped down and took herself out of the race it had to be a tough decision and an interesting thing to analyze. </p>
<p>With Terry Martin dropping off and Meena stepping out, Ellen Woodsworth only picked up another 10 votes, from the 200 cast for the former two candidates.</p>
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