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		<title>By: A. G. Tsakumis</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. G. Tsakumis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, spartakus old boy, the site you link to is the real fraud.  The credentials of those in attendance were not up for discussion--ever.  Read the real report in the Telegraph.  I will try and locate the link and send it to you.

Cheers on your other posts though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, spartakus old boy, the site you link to is the real fraud.  The credentials of those in attendance were not up for discussion&#8211;ever.  Read the real report in the Telegraph.  I will try and locate the link and send it to you.</p>
<p>Cheers on your other posts though!</p>
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		<title>By: coldwater</title>
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		<dc:creator>coldwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it all depends on how much taxation you want.  This was a once in a long time occurrence and if you want to spend millions and millions on snow clearing equipment and hire lots of extra people to work the 24 hour shifts, then we can have clear streets. Personally  I would rather not waste the money on equipment that will sit and rust most years and then when it is needed not function. I would rather live with the snow for a couple of weeks every 10 years or so. And yes I know the ambulances have to get through and pensioners need to get groceries. There can be and should be contingency plans for all of these situations. Neighbours could surely help with shopping and medical appointments etc.  Just how much tax do you want to pay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it all depends on how much taxation you want.  This was a once in a long time occurrence and if you want to spend millions and millions on snow clearing equipment and hire lots of extra people to work the 24 hour shifts, then we can have clear streets. Personally  I would rather not waste the money on equipment that will sit and rust most years and then when it is needed not function. I would rather live with the snow for a couple of weeks every 10 years or so. And yes I know the ambulances have to get through and pensioners need to get groceries. There can be and should be contingency plans for all of these situations. Neighbours could surely help with shopping and medical appointments etc.  Just how much tax do you want to pay?</p>
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		<title>By: T W</title>
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		<dc:creator>T W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mayor is alleged to have said this is/was a 1 in 50 year event in order to explain the seeming  lack of the City coping with the snowfall. 

The credit crunch and market malaise around the Olympic Village may have about the same probability and we have to hope (and pray) that senior officials and elected representatives have a better grasp of disaster and scenario planning around the Olympic event than they do with rare but predictable heavy snow events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mayor is alleged to have said this is/was a 1 in 50 year event in order to explain the seeming  lack of the City coping with the snowfall. </p>
<p>The credit crunch and market malaise around the Olympic Village may have about the same probability and we have to hope (and pray) that senior officials and elected representatives have a better grasp of disaster and scenario planning around the Olympic event than they do with rare but predictable heavy snow events.</p>
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		<title>By: foo</title>
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		<dc:creator>foo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, I don&#039;t feel any need to make excuses for the city. We have local government to provide services to us. That&#039;s what it&#039;s there for. I&#039;d say finding a way to make (some, never mind most) streets passable 3 weeks after a major snowfall is not too much to ask. We&#039;re not talking about snow that lasts a week even.

My point about earthquakes is simply, if the city can&#039;t even deal with a snowfall - a fairly significant snowfall, but it&#039;s just snow after all - how on earth will they deal with an earthquake? 

What if it happens over the Xmas period when their employees are off? Do their plans include waiting for 2 weeks to get out the earth-moving equipment and do a bit of search and rescue? 

I&#039;m being facetious, but that&#039;s the point of disaster preparedness. It doesn&#039;t mean spending a fortune on snow ploughs we never use. It means having plans to mobilize appropriate resources (people and technology) in appropriate timeframes when something out of the ordinary happens.

Take the bs about having to put up signs to notify people about snow ploughs coming down the street. In the current circumstances, all they would have to do is circulate a press release to all the local media (they know how to do that, I would hope) saying something like &quot;over the next few days a plough might come down your street. Move your car or will be buried&quot;.

Not having an idea of how you&#039;ll handle an emergency leads to crap like &quot;it&#039;ll cost $300k to put up signs to tell people to move their car to the other side of the street&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, I don&#8217;t feel any need to make excuses for the city. We have local government to provide services to us. That&#8217;s what it&#8217;s there for. I&#8217;d say finding a way to make (some, never mind most) streets passable 3 weeks after a major snowfall is not too much to ask. We&#8217;re not talking about snow that lasts a week even.</p>
<p>My point about earthquakes is simply, if the city can&#8217;t even deal with a snowfall &#8211; a fairly significant snowfall, but it&#8217;s just snow after all &#8211; how on earth will they deal with an earthquake? </p>
<p>What if it happens over the Xmas period when their employees are off? Do their plans include waiting for 2 weeks to get out the earth-moving equipment and do a bit of search and rescue? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m being facetious, but that&#8217;s the point of disaster preparedness. It doesn&#8217;t mean spending a fortune on snow ploughs we never use. It means having plans to mobilize appropriate resources (people and technology) in appropriate timeframes when something out of the ordinary happens.</p>
<p>Take the bs about having to put up signs to notify people about snow ploughs coming down the street. In the current circumstances, all they would have to do is circulate a press release to all the local media (they know how to do that, I would hope) saying something like &#8220;over the next few days a plough might come down your street. Move your car or will be buried&#8221;.</p>
<p>Not having an idea of how you&#8217;ll handle an emergency leads to crap like &#8220;it&#8217;ll cost $300k to put up signs to tell people to move their car to the other side of the street&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Steele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foo, a small change in altitude and distance from the water clearly makes a big difference - here on Little Mountain, our street has piles of snow almost high enough to toboggan on - so I don&#039;t think downtowners are getting any special treatment.

It was interesting that you used the analogy of disaster/earthquake response. Our governments make it very clear we&#039;re all on our own for 36 Hours(!!) after an earthquake.

Having lived through natural disasters and survived 3 months without power, I see these things as inevitable and I&#039;d never bet my life on government alone.  I&#039;m still uncomfortable with the notion, which most take for granted in Vancouver, that every necessity of my life depends on an uninterrupted supply of electricity. 

I could be pissed, having spent 2 hours digging out my car this afternoon (and let me state for the record that chivalry is NOT dead in Vancouver - half the block came to my rescue!) 

And I do think the city engineering people have some explaining to do to. But really, let&#039;s keep it in perspective: inconvenient, yes, but being unable to drive one&#039;s car is not a crisis in a city with public transportation - hundreds of thousands of people do it every day. 

Stuff happens. We need to accept some responsibility to look out for our own families and neighbours, unless we want to pay a fortune in taxes in the hope we&#039;ll be protected from craddle to grave (and it won&#039;t work anyway; the unforeseen will always come along.)

(And if we&#039;re going to spend a fortune on disaster prep, I propose we start by seismically upgrading our schools - the most dangerous structures in our city, along with those old Gastown buildings - so we&#039;ll at least have some kids left when we bully government into fixing our houses because we didn&#039;t bother taking out  earthquake insurance.)

How many people here have winter tires? Had this been foreseeable, we&#039;d all have them. But I made the same calculation as the engineers and figured the cost wasn&#039;t worth it, given the chances of this event &amp; the options of taking transit instead or just staying put.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foo, a small change in altitude and distance from the water clearly makes a big difference &#8211; here on Little Mountain, our street has piles of snow almost high enough to toboggan on &#8211; so I don&#8217;t think downtowners are getting any special treatment.</p>
<p>It was interesting that you used the analogy of disaster/earthquake response. Our governments make it very clear we&#8217;re all on our own for 36 Hours(!!) after an earthquake.</p>
<p>Having lived through natural disasters and survived 3 months without power, I see these things as inevitable and I&#8217;d never bet my life on government alone.  I&#8217;m still uncomfortable with the notion, which most take for granted in Vancouver, that every necessity of my life depends on an uninterrupted supply of electricity. </p>
<p>I could be pissed, having spent 2 hours digging out my car this afternoon (and let me state for the record that chivalry is NOT dead in Vancouver &#8211; half the block came to my rescue!) </p>
<p>And I do think the city engineering people have some explaining to do to. But really, let&#8217;s keep it in perspective: inconvenient, yes, but being unable to drive one&#8217;s car is not a crisis in a city with public transportation &#8211; hundreds of thousands of people do it every day. </p>
<p>Stuff happens. We need to accept some responsibility to look out for our own families and neighbours, unless we want to pay a fortune in taxes in the hope we&#8217;ll be protected from craddle to grave (and it won&#8217;t work anyway; the unforeseen will always come along.)</p>
<p>(And if we&#8217;re going to spend a fortune on disaster prep, I propose we start by seismically upgrading our schools &#8211; the most dangerous structures in our city, along with those old Gastown buildings &#8211; so we&#8217;ll at least have some kids left when we bully government into fixing our houses because we didn&#8217;t bother taking out  earthquake insurance.)</p>
<p>How many people here have winter tires? Had this been foreseeable, we&#8217;d all have them. But I made the same calculation as the engineers and figured the cost wasn&#8217;t worth it, given the chances of this event &amp; the options of taking transit instead or just staying put.</p>
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		<title>By: Snowmageddon Vancouver: All The News Fit To Print &#171; Unambiguously Ambidextrous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snowmageddon Vancouver: All The News Fit To Print &#171; Unambiguously Ambidextrous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Writer Frances Bula gets the last word, explaining what her Sunday night drive was like yesterday down the side streets of Vancouver&#8217;s snowmageddon: Just got back (near midnight at this point) from several of hours of driving around the main streets in Vancouver. Don’t ask. Clearly an act of insanity, but the point is that I’ve been on the road for several hours since the snow started falling around 5 p.m. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Writer Frances Bula gets the last word, explaining what her Sunday night drive was like yesterday down the side streets of Vancouver&#8217;s snowmageddon: Just got back (near midnight at this point) from several of hours of driving around the main streets in Vancouver. Don’t ask. Clearly an act of insanity, but the point is that I’ve been on the road for several hours since the snow started falling around 5 p.m. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: spartikus</title>
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		<dc:creator>spartikus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why would anyone pay attention to the likes of Jonathan Baker or 600 climate scientists who questioned global warming in Poland recently??&lt;/i&gt;

Not to be a stick in the mud on something that is off-topic, but the claim &quot;600 climate scientists questioned global warming at a conference in Poland&quot; is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.desmogblog.com/new-list-climate-quibblers-paid-deniers-dead-guys-and-ill-informed-fellow-travellers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;false&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why would anyone pay attention to the likes of Jonathan Baker or 600 climate scientists who questioned global warming in Poland recently??</i></p>
<p>Not to be a stick in the mud on something that is off-topic, but the claim &#8220;600 climate scientists questioned global warming at a conference in Poland&#8221; is <a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/new-list-climate-quibblers-paid-deniers-dead-guys-and-ill-informed-fellow-travellers" rel="nofollow">false</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And they don&#039;t plough or sweep the bike routes anytime during
the year. Now we try to ride the ruts, but in November the
slippery leaves and the hoar-frost are murder.
 Better to push the fully loaded bike as a loaded wheelbarrow inst
 
 And this city is not unilingual English, they have to put
out news in at least a half-dozen languages as few read or
watch the English media. 5 Sun/Provinces delivered in the
mornings to 50 homes I can see with early morning coffee.
 
 Are we going to put up the red-clear-the-street lights as 
in Quebec city for mass ploughing, and carrying away to 
the melting bin, of street snow after a blizzard? 
Light snow gets left behind and it usually too cold and thus 
extremely dry to snow anymore. 
 
 And all our local walks are cleared in a variety of patterns 
by this morning: whole sidewalk, central path, one half of 
walk that is not hardpacked by foot traffic etc. We tend 
to copy others. One person who washes his van daily, 
also clears the snow 4 times a day. Obsessive. 
Not often is salt used though. So much for the school kids 
who painted fish by all the storm drains as an admonition 
not to put noxious chemicals down the storm drain. 
_________________________________________________________________
 I tend to find more bumps and small potholes this time_________
and will this be a mad rush of &#039;patching&#039; in February?__________</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And they don&#8217;t plough or sweep the bike routes anytime during<br />
the year. Now we try to ride the ruts, but in November the<br />
slippery leaves and the hoar-frost are murder.<br />
 Better to push the fully loaded bike as a loaded wheelbarrow inst</p>
<p> And this city is not unilingual English, they have to put<br />
out news in at least a half-dozen languages as few read or<br />
watch the English media. 5 Sun/Provinces delivered in the<br />
mornings to 50 homes I can see with early morning coffee.</p>
<p> Are we going to put up the red-clear-the-street lights as<br />
in Quebec city for mass ploughing, and carrying away to<br />
the melting bin, of street snow after a blizzard?<br />
Light snow gets left behind and it usually too cold and thus<br />
extremely dry to snow anymore. </p>
<p> And all our local walks are cleared in a variety of patterns<br />
by this morning: whole sidewalk, central path, one half of<br />
walk that is not hardpacked by foot traffic etc. We tend<br />
to copy others. One person who washes his van daily,<br />
also clears the snow 4 times a day. Obsessive.<br />
Not often is salt used though. So much for the school kids<br />
who painted fish by all the storm drains as an admonition<br />
not to put noxious chemicals down the storm drain.<br />
_________________________________________________________________<br />
 I tend to find more bumps and small potholes this time_________<br />
and will this be a mad rush of &#8216;patching&#8217; in February?__________</p>
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		<title>By: foo</title>
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		<dc:creator>foo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well LB, that pretty much sums up the city&#039;s attitude. The 20% of the residents that live downtown have all the amenities and services, and there&#039;s just a large middle finger for the rest of the population. (To say nothing of the rest of Metro Vancouver).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well LB, that pretty much sums up the city&#8217;s attitude. The 20% of the residents that live downtown have all the amenities and services, and there&#8217;s just a large middle finger for the rest of the population. (To say nothing of the rest of Metro Vancouver).</p>
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		<title>By: julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raymond Louie suggests he only has 4 email complaints about the snow.  Interesting.  I sent an email to M&amp;C on December 23rd at 2pm.  Got notification today that it had been sent.  Hmmm, wonder how many snow complaints were sitting in the clerks inbox while the hall was closed for the holiday?

Wonder how many ploughs sat parked because staff were away on holidays and there was nobody to operate them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raymond Louie suggests he only has 4 email complaints about the snow.  Interesting.  I sent an email to M&amp;C on December 23rd at 2pm.  Got notification today that it had been sent.  Hmmm, wonder how many snow complaints were sitting in the clerks inbox while the hall was closed for the holiday?</p>
<p>Wonder how many ploughs sat parked because staff were away on holidays and there was nobody to operate them.</p>
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