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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized/making-hay-at-the-park-board/comment-page-2/#comment-14588</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been through rehab after being a heavy drinker with a $500-a-day crack cocaine habit. It was not cheap. And I have not touched a thing since.
I would not have got to those AA and NA meetings if I had not gone through rehab. It would have been impossible for me. Period. I&#039;d be dead (as my partner is) if I&#039;d just tried to do the meetings thing. And, I had to be willing to go through rehab. Ms. Barnes appears to be willing and my hat is of to her. If she&#039;s willing to endure all this crap to make her life and the lives around her better, then good for her. I hope with all my heart she succeeds because it&#039;s the hardest thing she will ever do.
 I had to be removed from society for a while to deal with the underlying issues of my alcoholism and addiction. And, please, I can do without sanctimonious lectures on what is and is not impossible for me from anyone else. They are not in my skin.
As for AGT, well, he&#039;s entertaining. I would certainly never take a thing he says seriously. He often has a decent initial premise and then takes them to an extreme at which point I dismiss him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been through rehab after being a heavy drinker with a $500-a-day crack cocaine habit. It was not cheap. And I have not touched a thing since.<br />
I would not have got to those AA and NA meetings if I had not gone through rehab. It would have been impossible for me. Period. I&#8217;d be dead (as my partner is) if I&#8217;d just tried to do the meetings thing. And, I had to be willing to go through rehab. Ms. Barnes appears to be willing and my hat is of to her. If she&#8217;s willing to endure all this crap to make her life and the lives around her better, then good for her. I hope with all my heart she succeeds because it&#8217;s the hardest thing she will ever do.<br />
 I had to be removed from society for a while to deal with the underlying issues of my alcoholism and addiction. And, please, I can do without sanctimonious lectures on what is and is not impossible for me from anyone else. They are not in my skin.<br />
As for AGT, well, he&#8217;s entertaining. I would certainly never take a thing he says seriously. He often has a decent initial premise and then takes them to an extreme at which point I dismiss him.</p>
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		<title>By: dirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>dirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta agree wit rf who wrote..
&quot;The Orchard is a $500 per day spa for middle aged-alcoholics with money/resources and drug addict kids of the wealthy (i have experience with a former-loved one and this place).
There no replacement for AA meetings and if Barnes was serious she would be at 2 or 3 a day&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta agree wit rf who wrote..<br />
&#8220;The Orchard is a $500 per day spa for middle aged-alcoholics with money/resources and drug addict kids of the wealthy (i have experience with a former-loved one and this place).<br />
There no replacement for AA meetings and if Barnes was serious she would be at 2 or 3 a day&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gmgw</title>
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		<dc:creator>gmgw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve stayed out of this pissing match mainly because I think the Barnes case is a non-issue, except, obviously, to the rabid dogs of the NPA. But at the risk of fanning the flames I would like to point out Allen Garr&#039;s Sept. 2 &quot;Courier&quot; column on the subject, which expresses my POV better than anything I could say. He cuts through the crap with his usual efficiency (excuse the unwieldy URL; hope the link works; if not go to the Courier website): http://www2.canada.com/vancouvercourier/news/story.html?id=429d2581-ddff-4a78-a5db-23a489233150
gmgw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve stayed out of this pissing match mainly because I think the Barnes case is a non-issue, except, obviously, to the rabid dogs of the NPA. But at the risk of fanning the flames I would like to point out Allen Garr&#8217;s Sept. 2 &#8220;Courier&#8221; column on the subject, which expresses my POV better than anything I could say. He cuts through the crap with his usual efficiency (excuse the unwieldy URL; hope the link works; if not go to the Courier website): <a href="http://www2.canada.com/vancouvercourier/news/story.html?id=429d2581-ddff-4a78-a5db-23a489233150" rel="nofollow">http://www2.canada.com/vancouvercourier/news/story.html?id=429d2581-ddff-4a78-a5db-23a489233150</a><br />
gmgw</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Keam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Keam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;screw the principle of saving as much tax money as possible for issues which matter.&quot;

Paying for counselling for someone is much cheaper than not paying for it in the long run. Of course, since the taxpayer isn&#039;t really paying for it in the long run, it&#039;s a red herring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;screw the principle of saving as much tax money as possible for issues which matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>Paying for counselling for someone is much cheaper than not paying for it in the long run. Of course, since the taxpayer isn&#8217;t really paying for it in the long run, it&#8217;s a red herring.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Keam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Keam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Spinning for Vision and they didn’t know you? More lies…&quot;

Sorry, but it&#039;s not. I&#039;ve met the Mayor once when he was an MLA (at a Bike To Work Week function). Raymond Louie and I have both belonged to the CEP union at one time and I&#039;ve met him once in relation to that. I&#039;ve sat in on a couple of bicycle advisory meetings where Councillor Meggs was also in attendance (but only since the highly successful protected lane trial began). I&#039;m flattered that you think I have friends in high places Alex, but quel dommage it&#039;s just not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Spinning for Vision and they didn’t know you? More lies…&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, but it&#8217;s not. I&#8217;ve met the Mayor once when he was an MLA (at a Bike To Work Week function). Raymond Louie and I have both belonged to the CEP union at one time and I&#8217;ve met him once in relation to that. I&#8217;ve sat in on a couple of bicycle advisory meetings where Councillor Meggs was also in attendance (but only since the highly successful protected lane trial began). I&#8217;m flattered that you think I have friends in high places Alex, but quel dommage it&#8217;s just not the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Keam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Keam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;AGT-how do you handle disagreements in your real life?&quot;

The same way all bullies do:

&quot;Many bullies think highly of themselves. They like being looked up to. And they often expect everyone to behave according to their wishes. Children who bully are often not taught to think about how their actions make other people feel.&quot;

http://www.webmd.com/parenting/tc/bullying-characteristics-of-children-who-bully</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;AGT-how do you handle disagreements in your real life?&#8221;</p>
<p>The same way all bullies do:</p>
<p>&#8220;Many bullies think highly of themselves. They like being looked up to. And they often expect everyone to behave according to their wishes. Children who bully are often not taught to think about how their actions make other people feel.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.webmd.com/parenting/tc/bullying-characteristics-of-children-who-bully" rel="nofollow">http://www.webmd.com/parenting/tc/bullying-characteristics-of-children-who-bully</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brenton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see everyone getting along. I wonder how different it would be in person over a few beers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see everyone getting along. I wonder how different it would be in person over a few beers.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Keam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Keam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couching name-calling and ignorance in the guise of being straightforward is a joke and those who traffick in such behaviour are the butt of said jape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couching name-calling and ignorance in the guise of being straightforward is a joke and those who traffick in such behaviour are the butt of said jape.</p>
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		<title>By: A. G. Tsakumis</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. G. Tsakumis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SV--not angry at all.  Just straight to the point.  And it&#039;s hardly anyone.  I just think the blogosphere is unchecked and if you don&#039;t respond firmly, all these people who sit around eating has brownies and swooning at Geoff Meggs, get a free ride because they ride a bike and hug trees.

Spare me.  

24 Hours website is governed by 24 Hours.  Ask them.

My site will be up soon enough... and you are welcome to come and ask and engage and do as you please--within reason.  Lots of comments from all sorts of intelligent people will be available, I&#039;m sure.

Thx for asking and have a great day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SV&#8211;not angry at all.  Just straight to the point.  And it&#8217;s hardly anyone.  I just think the blogosphere is unchecked and if you don&#8217;t respond firmly, all these people who sit around eating has brownies and swooning at Geoff Meggs, get a free ride because they ride a bike and hug trees.</p>
<p>Spare me.  </p>
<p>24 Hours website is governed by 24 Hours.  Ask them.</p>
<p>My site will be up soon enough&#8230; and you are welcome to come and ask and engage and do as you please&#8211;within reason.  Lots of comments from all sorts of intelligent people will be available, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>Thx for asking and have a great day!</p>
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		<title>By: SV</title>
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		<dc:creator>SV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AGT-how do you handle disagreements in your real life? Just curious because you seem to get very angry whenever anyone disagrees with you. And it&#039;s not just specific to certain other commenters, it seems to be anyone. 
 Is this why 24 hrs doesn&#039;t allow comments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AGT-how do you handle disagreements in your real life? Just curious because you seem to get very angry whenever anyone disagrees with you. And it&#8217;s not just specific to certain other commenters, it seems to be anyone.<br />
 Is this why 24 hrs doesn&#8217;t allow comments?</p>
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