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	<title>Comments on: Council decides: One lane for bikes on Burrard Bridge</title>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized/one-lane-for-bikes-on-burrard-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-12375</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say
Fire the mayor and council members who actually sanctioned this repeat of the 1996 disaster.
Bikes belong on roads like everywhere else.
Reduce the speed limit on the bridge, paint out the curb lane, install speed cameras.
rethink transit so that it works for downtown commuters.
Ever looked at other world cities do? 
Not this.
Instead we get:
 grid-lock, idling cars spewing toxic gases,
commuters traveling farther &#039;around&#039; the nightmare, pissed-off pedestrians,
and the world sits back and laughs once again
at another Vancouver city council&#039;s ridiculous decision.
&#039;the greenest city on earth&#039;
yup
keep saying it Gregor
some will start to believe you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say<br />
Fire the mayor and council members who actually sanctioned this repeat of the 1996 disaster.<br />
Bikes belong on roads like everywhere else.<br />
Reduce the speed limit on the bridge, paint out the curb lane, install speed cameras.<br />
rethink transit so that it works for downtown commuters.<br />
Ever looked at other world cities do?<br />
Not this.<br />
Instead we get:<br />
 grid-lock, idling cars spewing toxic gases,<br />
commuters traveling farther &#8216;around&#8217; the nightmare, pissed-off pedestrians,<br />
and the world sits back and laughs once again<br />
at another Vancouver city council&#8217;s ridiculous decision.<br />
&#8216;the greenest city on earth&#8217;<br />
yup<br />
keep saying it Gregor<br />
some will start to believe you.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
		<link>http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized/one-lane-for-bikes-on-burrard-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-12256</link>
		<dc:creator>MB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a compromise idea.

It might still work out that the stats prove one lane is enough.  But if the latent or induced demand (a known traffic management phenomenon) proves to be high with hordes of additional cyclists, then the one lane may not be enough.

The question will then be, covert another lane on this bridge or build separate bike / ped bridges and greater cost?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a compromise idea.</p>
<p>It might still work out that the stats prove one lane is enough.  But if the latent or induced demand (a known traffic management phenomenon) proves to be high with hordes of additional cyclists, then the one lane may not be enough.</p>
<p>The question will then be, covert another lane on this bridge or build separate bike / ped bridges and greater cost?</p>
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		<title>By: A. G. Tsakumis</title>
		<link>http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized/one-lane-for-bikes-on-burrard-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-12199</link>
		<dc:creator>A. G. Tsakumis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 23:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who thinks that this is anything other than more empty, ineffective posturing by the  the shameless eco-punishers movement, in full flight, is living a reality somewhere between the tooth-fairy and unicorns.

To cowardly to go for two bikes lanes; and too stupid to embrace even one...

The legacy of this council, if this keeps up, will be one of fantasy initiatives and pandering to its hardcore base, steeped social fascism.

Funny that.  Sam did the exact same thing, within almost the exact same period of time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who thinks that this is anything other than more empty, ineffective posturing by the  the shameless eco-punishers movement, in full flight, is living a reality somewhere between the tooth-fairy and unicorns.</p>
<p>To cowardly to go for two bikes lanes; and too stupid to embrace even one&#8230;</p>
<p>The legacy of this council, if this keeps up, will be one of fantasy initiatives and pandering to its hardcore base, steeped social fascism.</p>
<p>Funny that.  Sam did the exact same thing, within almost the exact same period of time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gmgw</title>
		<link>http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized/one-lane-for-bikes-on-burrard-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-12179</link>
		<dc:creator>gmgw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 04:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard says:
&quot;I’m not sure why people complain about cyclists when motorists on the bridge are usually going 40kph over the limit.&quot;

I don&#039;t like that, either, and I watch with glee on the rare occasions when a radar trap is operating at the south end of the Granville bridge (almost been caught once or twice myself). In response to your question, though, and at the risk of being thumpingly obvious, allow me to point out that bridge pedestrians are not required to walk in the *car* lanes (not yet, anyway).
gmgw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard says:<br />
&#8220;I’m not sure why people complain about cyclists when motorists on the bridge are usually going 40kph over the limit.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like that, either, and I watch with glee on the rare occasions when a radar trap is operating at the south end of the Granville bridge (almost been caught once or twice myself). In response to your question, though, and at the risk of being thumpingly obvious, allow me to point out that bridge pedestrians are not required to walk in the *car* lanes (not yet, anyway).<br />
gmgw</p>
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		<title>By: Len B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 03:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gmgw, 

Apparently there is a &quot;hidden evil-city planners handbook&quot; then.

I&#039;m definitely not making that up. I was consulting for an organization who were looking for a building to either move into, or buy.

I met with city planners on several occassions regarding the use/zoning we required and that was definitely what was told to us.

Although I&#039;m tempted to put their names here, I don&#039;t think that would be fair without talking to them again first. 

Perhaps while I&#039;m snooping around for that handbook!!

If there are any city planners out there, including Mr. Toderian, can you comment on the Burrard Slopes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gmgw, </p>
<p>Apparently there is a &#8220;hidden evil-city planners handbook&#8221; then.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m definitely not making that up. I was consulting for an organization who were looking for a building to either move into, or buy.</p>
<p>I met with city planners on several occassions regarding the use/zoning we required and that was definitely what was told to us.</p>
<p>Although I&#8217;m tempted to put their names here, I don&#8217;t think that would be fair without talking to them again first. </p>
<p>Perhaps while I&#8217;m snooping around for that handbook!!</p>
<p>If there are any city planners out there, including Mr. Toderian, can you comment on the Burrard Slopes?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 23:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jesse

I agree with get a bell. Problem is it is almost more dangerous because pedestrians often scatter in an unpredictable manner. They often run into each other. Regarding the speed limit, the solution is separate paths. A 15kph is not a reasonable limit on the downhill sections. I&#039;m not sure why people complain about cyclists when motorists on the bridge are usually going 40kph over the limit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jesse</p>
<p>I agree with get a bell. Problem is it is almost more dangerous because pedestrians often scatter in an unpredictable manner. They often run into each other. Regarding the speed limit, the solution is separate paths. A 15kph is not a reasonable limit on the downhill sections. I&#8217;m not sure why people complain about cyclists when motorists on the bridge are usually going 40kph over the limit.</p>
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
		<link>http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized/one-lane-for-bikes-on-burrard-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-12163</link>
		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 20:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For cyclists, stick to the speed limit and get a bell. In Holland the mixed pedestrian bicycle model works wondefully but requires understanding that a) cyclists will have to slow down for pedestrians every once and a while and b) pedestrians should be courteous and move, if possible, when a cyclist rings his/her bell.

Reckless acts of self-regulation are counter-productive. Best slow down and use a bell instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For cyclists, stick to the speed limit and get a bell. In Holland the mixed pedestrian bicycle model works wondefully but requires understanding that a) cyclists will have to slow down for pedestrians every once and a while and b) pedestrians should be courteous and move, if possible, when a cyclist rings his/her bell.</p>
<p>Reckless acts of self-regulation are counter-productive. Best slow down and use a bell instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Living in the City</title>
		<link>http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized/one-lane-for-bikes-on-burrard-bridge/comment-page-1/#comment-12162</link>
		<dc:creator>Living in the City</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 20:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I will say that when pedestrians are across the line…actually physically walking into the current dedicated bike lane…I will frequently brush past them on purpose to send a message: stay on your side&lt;/i&gt;

Funny, I&#039;m often tempted to do the same thing...in my car, to cyclists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I will say that when pedestrians are across the line…actually physically walking into the current dedicated bike lane…I will frequently brush past them on purpose to send a message: stay on your side</i></p>
<p>Funny, I&#8217;m often tempted to do the same thing&#8230;in my car, to cyclists.</p>
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		<title>By: gmgw</title>
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		<dc:creator>gmgw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 19:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Len B, on the Burrard Slopes:
&quot;In a conversation I had with city planners regarding this area, these development approvals are not a move to change the area slowly, rather they were approved while informing those developers that they may be alone in their development of residential there. The city understands they require light-industrial zones through-out the city and this is supposed to remain one of them.

If there is a plan in place to phase out that light-industrial area into residential it would be in the “hidden - evil city planner agenda handbook”, because it’s definitely not what they tell people when you ask them directly.&quot;

I guess you&#039;ve been talking to different planners that the ones I&#039;ve been talking to. For some years now, planners have been saying both to me and to nearby neighbourhood associations that it&#039;s the City&#039;s intention to gradually convert the Burrard Slopes to a residential/commercial  mix (bizarrely, the predominant commercial development in the area lately seems to consist of luxury/exotic car dealerships). The residential conversion happening, if slowly (planning appears to be in no rush, for a change), and will continue to happen.  

If you have a copy of that secret evil city planner handbook, I&#039;d love to see it, but for the moment I&#039;ll just continue to go with the vision for that area that those &quot;other&quot; planners have been quite openly discussing for at least a decade. 
gmgw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Len B, on the Burrard Slopes:<br />
&#8220;In a conversation I had with city planners regarding this area, these development approvals are not a move to change the area slowly, rather they were approved while informing those developers that they may be alone in their development of residential there. The city understands they require light-industrial zones through-out the city and this is supposed to remain one of them.</p>
<p>If there is a plan in place to phase out that light-industrial area into residential it would be in the “hidden &#8211; evil city planner agenda handbook”, because it’s definitely not what they tell people when you ask them directly.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess you&#8217;ve been talking to different planners that the ones I&#8217;ve been talking to. For some years now, planners have been saying both to me and to nearby neighbourhood associations that it&#8217;s the City&#8217;s intention to gradually convert the Burrard Slopes to a residential/commercial  mix (bizarrely, the predominant commercial development in the area lately seems to consist of luxury/exotic car dealerships). The residential conversion happening, if slowly (planning appears to be in no rush, for a change), and will continue to happen.  </p>
<p>If you have a copy of that secret evil city planner handbook, I&#8217;d love to see it, but for the moment I&#8217;ll just continue to go with the vision for that area that those &#8220;other&#8221; planners have been quite openly discussing for at least a decade.<br />
gmgw</p>
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		<title>By: gmgw</title>
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		<dc:creator>gmgw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 19:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darcy McGee says:
&quot;I will say that when pedestrians are across the line…actually physically walking into the current dedicated bike lane…I will frequently brush past them on purpose to send a message: stay on your side.&quot;

Not to be...umm... critical or anything, McGee, but you&#039;re a (potentially criminally) irresponsible goddamned idiot, and the kind of bicyclist who gives other bicyclists the reputation for arrogance and recklessness that many non-bicyclists ascribe to them. I was speaking of the narrow sidewalks of the Granville Bridge, where the cyclist/pedestrian mix is much more hazardous (partly because 90% of the cyclists on the bridge ignore any and all speed limits), and where behaviour such as your yours could easily lead to injury or even death. But the same principle applies anywhere: Have you ever once stopped to consider what might happen if the person you&#039;re &quot;brushing past&quot;, startled by your sudden presence, was to lurch into your path? Would you feel vindicated if they lost their balance, stumbled off the sidewalk and fell in front of a rapidly oncoming car or under a bus? Or maybe pleased? &quot;Great, that&#039;s one less obstruction to slow me down! Friggin&#039; poky pedestrians, never lookin&#039; where they&#039;re goin&#039;...&quot;.  You remind me of the speeding biker who knocked down a (walking) friend of mine on the Stanley Park seawall a few years ago. She was left on the ground with a fractured tailbone, and the biker just kept going, giving the finger to witnesses who were yelling at him to stop. Bikers like him-- and you--  give all cyclists a bad name, and put us all-- cyclists, pedestrians, drivers-- in grave danger.

&quot;One weekend there was a fund raising walk with a course that went across the bridge. The bridge wasn’t closed, but those damn fund raisers were walking 4 or 5 abreast. It was extremely annoying, not too mention disrespectful of cyclists and our rights.&quot;

Arrogance. Phenomenal, unbelievable arrogance. &quot;Disrespectful&quot;?! Who the hell do you think you are? What gives you the right to act like this? Do you think that bicyclists possess some innate moral superiority that should entitle you to exclusive use of all public thoroughfares? Coupled with the adrenalin-fuelled aggression to which you&#039;re clearly prone, your attitude makes you a ticking bomb. I just hope you&#039;re not anywhere near me when it finally goes off. Do us all a favour (including responsible cyclists)-- get the hell off the road, sell your bike, and buy a good pair of walking shoes. Or take the bus. You&#039;ll quickly be seeing the world from a whole different perspective.
gmgw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darcy McGee says:<br />
&#8220;I will say that when pedestrians are across the line…actually physically walking into the current dedicated bike lane…I will frequently brush past them on purpose to send a message: stay on your side.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not to be&#8230;umm&#8230; critical or anything, McGee, but you&#8217;re a (potentially criminally) irresponsible goddamned idiot, and the kind of bicyclist who gives other bicyclists the reputation for arrogance and recklessness that many non-bicyclists ascribe to them. I was speaking of the narrow sidewalks of the Granville Bridge, where the cyclist/pedestrian mix is much more hazardous (partly because 90% of the cyclists on the bridge ignore any and all speed limits), and where behaviour such as your yours could easily lead to injury or even death. But the same principle applies anywhere: Have you ever once stopped to consider what might happen if the person you&#8217;re &#8220;brushing past&#8221;, startled by your sudden presence, was to lurch into your path? Would you feel vindicated if they lost their balance, stumbled off the sidewalk and fell in front of a rapidly oncoming car or under a bus? Or maybe pleased? &#8220;Great, that&#8217;s one less obstruction to slow me down! Friggin&#8217; poky pedestrians, never lookin&#8217; where they&#8217;re goin&#8217;&#8230;&#8221;.  You remind me of the speeding biker who knocked down a (walking) friend of mine on the Stanley Park seawall a few years ago. She was left on the ground with a fractured tailbone, and the biker just kept going, giving the finger to witnesses who were yelling at him to stop. Bikers like him&#8211; and you&#8211;  give all cyclists a bad name, and put us all&#8211; cyclists, pedestrians, drivers&#8211; in grave danger.</p>
<p>&#8220;One weekend there was a fund raising walk with a course that went across the bridge. The bridge wasn’t closed, but those damn fund raisers were walking 4 or 5 abreast. It was extremely annoying, not too mention disrespectful of cyclists and our rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>Arrogance. Phenomenal, unbelievable arrogance. &#8220;Disrespectful&#8221;?! Who the hell do you think you are? What gives you the right to act like this? Do you think that bicyclists possess some innate moral superiority that should entitle you to exclusive use of all public thoroughfares? Coupled with the adrenalin-fuelled aggression to which you&#8217;re clearly prone, your attitude makes you a ticking bomb. I just hope you&#8217;re not anywhere near me when it finally goes off. Do us all a favour (including responsible cyclists)&#8211; get the hell off the road, sell your bike, and buy a good pair of walking shoes. Or take the bus. You&#8217;ll quickly be seeing the world from a whole different perspective.<br />
gmgw</p>
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