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		<title>By: Geri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my view, the reason why it SO important that the matter of the loans or &quot;loan guarantees&quot; or whatever they are (that we shouldn&#039;t really know about- for our own good!?), is that- by exposing the city to this kind of financial risk, we are not going to HAVE the money to work on ALL of the other projects that are so desperately needed in this city.

I think it is entirely valid to ask &quot;why is it that no funds are ever allocated to finding shelter for the homeless or treatment for the addicted, but when a private corporation has messed up and asks for back-up, that the coffers are immediately opened??&quot;

Also, in an election, a lack of due diligence and breach of trust are important matters when considering whether to vote any incumbents back in.

It is time for some real whistle-blower protection at City Hall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my view, the reason why it SO important that the matter of the loans or &#8220;loan guarantees&#8221; or whatever they are (that we shouldn&#8217;t really know about- for our own good!?), is that- by exposing the city to this kind of financial risk, we are not going to HAVE the money to work on ALL of the other projects that are so desperately needed in this city.</p>
<p>I think it is entirely valid to ask &#8220;why is it that no funds are ever allocated to finding shelter for the homeless or treatment for the addicted, but when a private corporation has messed up and asks for back-up, that the coffers are immediately opened??&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, in an election, a lack of due diligence and breach of trust are important matters when considering whether to vote any incumbents back in.</p>
<p>It is time for some real whistle-blower protection at City Hall.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So whats the deal, did Estelle Lo resign? Did she express concerns about this loan, and was pushed out? What were the exact concerns she had? 

When City officials tell me not to worry about a real estate deal funded by taxpayers, thats when I start to worry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So whats the deal, did Estelle Lo resign? Did she express concerns about this loan, and was pushed out? What were the exact concerns she had? </p>
<p>When City officials tell me not to worry about a real estate deal funded by taxpayers, thats when I start to worry.</p>
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		<title>By: RossK</title>
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		<dc:creator>RossK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree one hundred (and one million) percent with A Dave.

And persuant to Rob&#039;s point,  think it is also important to realize that the shuffling of Ms. Lo off to Buffalo, at least according to Gary Mason, (and his sources), began last  spring. Further, some of the same folks who were elevated to take over a number of Ms. Lo&#039;s duties are the same good people who are out front telling us what&#039;s what, and what&#039;s good for us now.

All without answering A Dave&#039;s central, critical question.

OK?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree one hundred (and one million) percent with A Dave.</p>
<p>And persuant to Rob&#8217;s point,  think it is also important to realize that the shuffling of Ms. Lo off to Buffalo, at least according to Gary Mason, (and his sources), began last  spring. Further, some of the same folks who were elevated to take over a number of Ms. Lo&#8217;s duties are the same good people who are out front telling us what&#8217;s what, and what&#8217;s good for us now.</p>
<p>All without answering A Dave&#8217;s central, critical question.</p>
<p>OK?</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I was responding to A. G. Tsakumis not AGK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I was responding to A. G. Tsakumis not AGK</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to AGK -- I think the Vancouver City Hall bureaucracy has a culture of not giving Councillors &quot;too much&quot; information. In past years there was a complaint that some Councillors weren&#039;t allowed to see Property Endowment Fund Board minutes, and one Councillor said that staff talked down to her dismissively when she asked questions about real estate matters. 

At some point Councillors and the public are probably going to be surprised that the much-vaunted Property Endowment Fund isn&#039;t really worth $2.7 billion, and that what value it does have is mostly not very liquid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to AGK &#8212; I think the Vancouver City Hall bureaucracy has a culture of not giving Councillors &#8220;too much&#8221; information. In past years there was a complaint that some Councillors weren&#8217;t allowed to see Property Endowment Fund Board minutes, and one Councillor said that staff talked down to her dismissively when she asked questions about real estate matters. </p>
<p>At some point Councillors and the public are probably going to be surprised that the much-vaunted Property Endowment Fund isn&#8217;t really worth $2.7 billion, and that what value it does have is mostly not very liquid.</p>
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		<title>By: A. G. Tsakumis</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. G. Tsakumis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Dave, TW and Scott make terrific points.

But in the back and forth this is what emerges:  Without Estelle Lo&#039;s pivotal opinion, what the hell were any of them, NPA or Vision, thinking when they didn&#039;t halt the meeting just on that point alone?????

It is unfortunate that we pay councillors only 50K a year.

Because at 125K per annum, you would have had some seasoned business people woodshedding Judy Rogers for not explaining where the CFO was and what her opinion was/is.
Not ten non-business types, in a temporary bubble of airheadedness, making a bloody decision on a 100M proposition, without all the cards on the table.

What a complete joke city council has devevolved into...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Dave, TW and Scott make terrific points.</p>
<p>But in the back and forth this is what emerges:  Without Estelle Lo&#8217;s pivotal opinion, what the hell were any of them, NPA or Vision, thinking when they didn&#8217;t halt the meeting just on that point alone?????</p>
<p>It is unfortunate that we pay councillors only 50K a year.</p>
<p>Because at 125K per annum, you would have had some seasoned business people woodshedding Judy Rogers for not explaining where the CFO was and what her opinion was/is.<br />
Not ten non-business types, in a temporary bubble of airheadedness, making a bloody decision on a 100M proposition, without all the cards on the table.</p>
<p>What a complete joke city council has devevolved into&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: T W</title>
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		<dc:creator>T W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question would be whether our elected representatives exercised due dilgence by taking reasonable steps to ascertain the facts. Did they seek independent assessment before making their decision on the loan provision, or did they rely entirely on City staff analysis. 

I am not entirely clear or confident that City staff have the skills, expertise and degree of independence in this case to provide our elected representatives with the information that they need to exercise a duty of care - which is what we expect.

We may never know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question would be whether our elected representatives exercised due dilgence by taking reasonable steps to ascertain the facts. Did they seek independent assessment before making their decision on the loan provision, or did they rely entirely on City staff analysis. </p>
<p>I am not entirely clear or confident that City staff have the skills, expertise and degree of independence in this case to provide our elected representatives with the information that they need to exercise a duty of care &#8211; which is what we expect.</p>
<p>We may never know.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering whether one more political bombshell will be dropped before Saturday&#039;s vote.

According to the Global News hour last night, 
Vancouver city staff has &quot;identified&quot; the suspect councillor involved in removing the in-camera documents through computerized card swipe data as well as city surveillance video.

As former mayor Larry Campbell said yesterday he would turn the matter into a criminal investigation.

Certainly breach of trust issues come to fore.

I&#039;m sure everyone also now wants to know the name of this councillor.  

If the individual&#039;s name does not come out until later on, could we see a municipal by-election in the offing? It&#039;s certainly possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering whether one more political bombshell will be dropped before Saturday&#8217;s vote.</p>
<p>According to the Global News hour last night,<br />
Vancouver city staff has &#8220;identified&#8221; the suspect councillor involved in removing the in-camera documents through computerized card swipe data as well as city surveillance video.</p>
<p>As former mayor Larry Campbell said yesterday he would turn the matter into a criminal investigation.</p>
<p>Certainly breach of trust issues come to fore.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure everyone also now wants to know the name of this councillor.  </p>
<p>If the individual&#8217;s name does not come out until later on, could we see a municipal by-election in the offing? It&#8217;s certainly possible.</p>
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		<title>By: A Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if neither party heard of Lo&#039;s concerns, then, as I pointed out above, the furor is justified (and all the attacks on Robertson for questioning the deal are moot). BOTH the NPA and Vision should be asking serious questions about why the bureaucracy is willfully omitting VERY important information from $100 million dollar deals. As I tried to illustrate with my stock analogy, this is dealbreaking information, and could have easily swayed in-camera votes. City Hall has clearly been embroiled in very nasty infighting for a long time now, and the ruling party should shoulder the blame for letting it get so insanely out of control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if neither party heard of Lo&#8217;s concerns, then, as I pointed out above, the furor is justified (and all the attacks on Robertson for questioning the deal are moot). BOTH the NPA and Vision should be asking serious questions about why the bureaucracy is willfully omitting VERY important information from $100 million dollar deals. As I tried to illustrate with my stock analogy, this is dealbreaking information, and could have easily swayed in-camera votes. City Hall has clearly been embroiled in very nasty infighting for a long time now, and the ruling party should shoulder the blame for letting it get so insanely out of control.</p>
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		<title>By: fbula</title>
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		<dc:creator>fbula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, to be fair, which it&#039;s increasingly hard to do in this crazy circus, the NPA councillors have ALSO said that they never heard any concerns expressed by Estelle Lo. 

Where the two parties differ is not over things they know or don&#039;t know about Ms. Lo and her concerns, but in whether they think there should be more information released on all of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, to be fair, which it&#8217;s increasingly hard to do in this crazy circus, the NPA councillors have ALSO said that they never heard any concerns expressed by Estelle Lo. </p>
<p>Where the two parties differ is not over things they know or don&#8217;t know about Ms. Lo and her concerns, but in whether they think there should be more information released on all of this.</p>
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