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	<title>Comments on: Park commissioner steps down from PNE board after incident at Fright Night</title>
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		<title>By: Frances Bula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frances Bula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, all, I think I am going to call a halt to this now, as all the points have been made and insults delivered. 

I know some people love this kind of mud-wrestling and others don&#039;t. So I&#039;ve let the mud wrestlers have their fun and now we&#039;ll give the more peaceable types a break. All further comments on this string will be disallowed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, all, I think I am going to call a halt to this now, as all the points have been made and insults delivered. </p>
<p>I know some people love this kind of mud-wrestling and others don&#8217;t. So I&#8217;ve let the mud wrestlers have their fun and now we&#8217;ll give the more peaceable types a break. All further comments on this string will be disallowed.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Keam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Keam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeezus. I take it back. High school hallway character assassinations were positively the height of maturity compared to this nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeezus. I take it back. High school hallway character assassinations were positively the height of maturity compared to this nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: A. G. Tsakumis</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. G. Tsakumis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My questions stand Otis.  It is YOUR opinion that my reasonable deductions are merde.

As for Keam&#039;s embarrassing offering that Raj might not want to enter a pissing contest...if there is one Vision sycophant and apologist (who me thinks doth protest too much), it is Chrissy.

So, the Visionistas think there is nothing to this.  

Let&#039;s see about that.

More to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My questions stand Otis.  It is YOUR opinion that my reasonable deductions are merde.</p>
<p>As for Keam&#8217;s embarrassing offering that Raj might not want to enter a pissing contest&#8230;if there is one Vision sycophant and apologist (who me thinks doth protest too much), it is Chrissy.</p>
<p>So, the Visionistas think there is nothing to this.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see about that.</p>
<p>More to come.</p>
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		<title>By: sv</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;magical bladders&quot; just made my day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;magical bladders&#8221; just made my day.</p>
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		<title>By: Otis Krayola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otis Krayola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

Well, we agree on one thing at least - a dearth of detail.  

First, the only thing I&#039;ve &#039;proclaimed&#039; about Raj Hundal is that he appears to be the poster boy for the Peter Principle.  But apparent incompetence doesn&#039;t, to me, imply guilt.

You, on the other hand, are willing to put him &#039;right there&#039; (and pillory him) because, you tell us, he &#039;half suggests&#039; it.  Pretty flimsy, even if it were true.  I went back and re-read with an eye to finding the half suggestion - without luck.  By  stating &#039;I understand that my cousin pushed...&#039;, one might actually infer that Hundal didn&#039;t even see what was transpiring. 

You use the terms &#039;deductions&#039;, &#039;evidence&#039;, and &#039;logical and reasonable suppositions&#039; and then give us opinion.  No matter how many times you repeat it, wild surmise based on bubkes remains just that - goat droppings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>Well, we agree on one thing at least &#8211; a dearth of detail.  </p>
<p>First, the only thing I&#8217;ve &#8216;proclaimed&#8217; about Raj Hundal is that he appears to be the poster boy for the Peter Principle.  But apparent incompetence doesn&#8217;t, to me, imply guilt.</p>
<p>You, on the other hand, are willing to put him &#8216;right there&#8217; (and pillory him) because, you tell us, he &#8216;half suggests&#8217; it.  Pretty flimsy, even if it were true.  I went back and re-read with an eye to finding the half suggestion &#8211; without luck.  By  stating &#8216;I understand that my cousin pushed&#8230;&#8217;, one might actually infer that Hundal didn&#8217;t even see what was transpiring. </p>
<p>You use the terms &#8216;deductions&#8217;, &#8216;evidence&#8217;, and &#8216;logical and reasonable suppositions&#8217; and then give us opinion.  No matter how many times you repeat it, wild surmise based on bubkes remains just that &#8211; goat droppings.</p>
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		<title>By: rf</title>
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		<dc:creator>rf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if something does not makes sense, it&#039;s because it is probably not true&quot;
-Judge Judy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if something does not makes sense, it&#8217;s because it is probably not true&#8221;<br />
-Judge Judy</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Keam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Keam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Knowing as we do that the Bula site is heavily populated with Vision hierarchs and fartcatchers, and assuming, with strong evidence, that Raj has read this thread, why hasn’t he come forward to refute the logical a reasonable suppositions many are making–not just me. He has an obligation to do this.&quot;

Given the vicious smears and unsubtantiated allegations that is stock in trade for some, why would Hundal want to get into a pissing match with people who apparently have magical bladders that never run dry? The Tatooine cantina is a girl guide camp comparatively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Knowing as we do that the Bula site is heavily populated with Vision hierarchs and fartcatchers, and assuming, with strong evidence, that Raj has read this thread, why hasn’t he come forward to refute the logical a reasonable suppositions many are making–not just me. He has an obligation to do this.&#8221;</p>
<p>Given the vicious smears and unsubtantiated allegations that is stock in trade for some, why would Hundal want to get into a pissing match with people who apparently have magical bladders that never run dry? The Tatooine cantina is a girl guide camp comparatively.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The dearth of details from Raj is the problem here. If all is as innocent as you proclaim, then why the resignation?&quot;

Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I haven&#039;t proclaimed anything. How on earth do you reach that from what I wrote?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The dearth of details from Raj is the problem here. If all is as innocent as you proclaim, then why the resignation?&#8221;</p>
<p>Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I haven&#8217;t proclaimed anything. How on earth do you reach that from what I wrote?</p>
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		<title>By: A. G. Tsakumis</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. G. Tsakumis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otis/Brenton:

It&#039;s very simple:

The dearth of details from Raj is the problem here.  If all is as innocent as you proclaim, then why the resignation?

Of course he was right there when his cousin engaged the &quot;mental patient&quot;.  He half suggests that.  And it is PNE policy to eject the offending party.  I have documented four separate incidents from this year alone, where a &quot;party&quot; was ejected.  Exactly the same scenario too, so this begs the question, did Raj get away with anything due to his then seat on the PNE Board.

Assault is a very serious charge, and not something to be sloughed off.  

It is entirely Raj and Vision&#039;s fault for not coming up with all the details.  Has his cousin been charged?  Is that why Raj went the extra step?  And if he felt such a high standard for public officials this last week, why didn&#039;t he believe in that standard the day after the incident occurred, on the 26th. of October?  If, as you suggest, that he is NOT involved, then why the vitriol about standards for public officials line and accompanying resignation.

The deductions are simply enough to make based on the evidence.  If there is something else that we are missing and you find my piecing together the story based on what evidence is before us, then here&#039;s the simplest question of all:

Knowing as we do that the Bula site is heavily populated with Vision hierarchs and fartcatchers, and assuming, with strong evidence, that Raj has read this thread, why hasn&#039;t he come forward to refute the logical a reasonable suppositions many are making--not just me.  He has an obligation to do this.

But, as with most stories like these, the lazy mainstream media are more content to have their own political brethren running the city into the ground than doing their homework and asking the tough questions.

It took me minutes to scratch below the surface after Raj sent his email only to his list of Visionistas and select media.

Why to some and not to others?

What Raj has done wrong is not provide all the details.  Other than that, his resignation in such an incident is not only appropriate but commendable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otis/Brenton:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very simple:</p>
<p>The dearth of details from Raj is the problem here.  If all is as innocent as you proclaim, then why the resignation?</p>
<p>Of course he was right there when his cousin engaged the &#8220;mental patient&#8221;.  He half suggests that.  And it is PNE policy to eject the offending party.  I have documented four separate incidents from this year alone, where a &#8220;party&#8221; was ejected.  Exactly the same scenario too, so this begs the question, did Raj get away with anything due to his then seat on the PNE Board.</p>
<p>Assault is a very serious charge, and not something to be sloughed off.  </p>
<p>It is entirely Raj and Vision&#8217;s fault for not coming up with all the details.  Has his cousin been charged?  Is that why Raj went the extra step?  And if he felt such a high standard for public officials this last week, why didn&#8217;t he believe in that standard the day after the incident occurred, on the 26th. of October?  If, as you suggest, that he is NOT involved, then why the vitriol about standards for public officials line and accompanying resignation.</p>
<p>The deductions are simply enough to make based on the evidence.  If there is something else that we are missing and you find my piecing together the story based on what evidence is before us, then here&#8217;s the simplest question of all:</p>
<p>Knowing as we do that the Bula site is heavily populated with Vision hierarchs and fartcatchers, and assuming, with strong evidence, that Raj has read this thread, why hasn&#8217;t he come forward to refute the logical a reasonable suppositions many are making&#8211;not just me.  He has an obligation to do this.</p>
<p>But, as with most stories like these, the lazy mainstream media are more content to have their own political brethren running the city into the ground than doing their homework and asking the tough questions.</p>
<p>It took me minutes to scratch below the surface after Raj sent his email only to his list of Visionistas and select media.</p>
<p>Why to some and not to others?</p>
<p>What Raj has done wrong is not provide all the details.  Other than that, his resignation in such an incident is not only appropriate but commendable.</p>
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		<title>By: Otis Krayola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otis Krayola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops!

About.  

I can&#039;t see what the fuss is about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops!</p>
<p>About.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see what the fuss is about.</p>
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