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	<title>Comments on: Sam Sullivan enters the Olympic village fray</title>
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		<title>By: spartikus</title>
		<link>http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized/sam-sullivan-enters-the-olympic-village-fray/comment-page-1/#comment-5434</link>
		<dc:creator>spartikus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.straight.com/files/pdf/olympicvillage_011609.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hopefully this jogs Larry&#039;s memory.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.straight.com/files/pdf/olympicvillage_011609.pdf" rel="nofollow">Hopefully this jogs Larry&#8217;s memory.</a></p>
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		<title>By: spartikus</title>
		<link>http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized/sam-sullivan-enters-the-olympic-village-fray/comment-page-1/#comment-5433</link>
		<dc:creator>spartikus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry shouldn&#039;t be so hard on himself - he seems to be forgetting he only took over in December of 2002 - after Vancouver Athletes Village Agreement had been signed.

Poor fellow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry shouldn&#8217;t be so hard on himself &#8211; he seems to be forgetting he only took over in December of 2002 &#8211; after Vancouver Athletes Village Agreement had been signed.</p>
<p>Poor fellow.</p>
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		<title>By: Listen Close</title>
		<link>http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized/sam-sullivan-enters-the-olympic-village-fray/comment-page-1/#comment-5389</link>
		<dc:creator>Listen Close</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty simple Tommi:

- NPA voted for the completion guarantee, which locked us into a deal with Fortress, Vision/COPE opposed it

- Vision pushed for public disclosure of the Olympic Village loan, NPA fought it every step of the way (remember those big bad &quot;negotiations&quot; that were supposed to be the reason to keep everything secret?)

As for the NPA talking points, those would be the ones that Sam Sullivan, Peter Ladner, and Phillip Owen keep spouting: that no matter what happens to the Olympic Village, taxpayers will not be affected because of the PEF. 

This completely ignores the fact that having the PEF go from $2.5 billion to $2.3 billion to cover the Olympic Village is a $200 million loss of city assets. I have yet to hear any sane person try to say how that&#039;s a good thing. Vision has made that clear. NPA keeps trying to paint it as a good deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty simple Tommi:</p>
<p>- NPA voted for the completion guarantee, which locked us into a deal with Fortress, Vision/COPE opposed it</p>
<p>- Vision pushed for public disclosure of the Olympic Village loan, NPA fought it every step of the way (remember those big bad &#8220;negotiations&#8221; that were supposed to be the reason to keep everything secret?)</p>
<p>As for the NPA talking points, those would be the ones that Sam Sullivan, Peter Ladner, and Phillip Owen keep spouting: that no matter what happens to the Olympic Village, taxpayers will not be affected because of the PEF. </p>
<p>This completely ignores the fact that having the PEF go from $2.5 billion to $2.3 billion to cover the Olympic Village is a $200 million loss of city assets. I have yet to hear any sane person try to say how that&#8217;s a good thing. Vision has made that clear. NPA keeps trying to paint it as a good deal.</p>
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		<title>By: tommi</title>
		<link>http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized/sam-sullivan-enters-the-olympic-village-fray/comment-page-1/#comment-5363</link>
		<dc:creator>tommi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How exactly did Sam and the NPA create this Olympics mess all by themselves with no help from Vision/COPE? That is just a strawman argument that comes directly from the Vision &quot;talking points.&quot; 

Dawn, where are these NPA talking points coming from? Seems you&#039;re the one making that &quot;fact&quot; up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How exactly did Sam and the NPA create this Olympics mess all by themselves with no help from Vision/COPE? That is just a strawman argument that comes directly from the Vision &#8220;talking points.&#8221; </p>
<p>Dawn, where are these NPA talking points coming from? Seems you&#8217;re the one making that &#8220;fact&#8221; up.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Steele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah right, Frances! It&#039;s like saying that if I raid my RRSP instead of using my debit card for a night out at the casino, I have nothing to lose! 

If Sam actually believes this nonsense, as opposed to just dutifully helping to perpetuate NPA talking points for damage control, then it&#039;s no surprise that he &amp; his council got us into the mess in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah right, Frances! It&#8217;s like saying that if I raid my RRSP instead of using my debit card for a night out at the casino, I have nothing to lose! </p>
<p>If Sam actually believes this nonsense, as opposed to just dutifully helping to perpetuate NPA talking points for damage control, then it&#8217;s no surprise that he &amp; his council got us into the mess in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: tommi</title>
		<link>http://www.francesbula.com/uncategorized/sam-sullivan-enters-the-olympic-village-fray/comment-page-1/#comment-5359</link>
		<dc:creator>tommi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason there are so few comments on CityCaucus.com is mostly likely because it&#039;s a pain in the ass to do so. You have to fill out a form each time and enter a bunch of impossible-to-read letters. 

&quot;Sam Sullivan’s incandescent stupidity is on full display, once again...&quot;

Looks like AG&#039;s fluorescent bile is on full display, once again. Did Sam kill his dog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason there are so few comments on CityCaucus.com is mostly likely because it&#8217;s a pain in the ass to do so. You have to fill out a form each time and enter a bunch of impossible-to-read letters. </p>
<p>&#8220;Sam Sullivan’s incandescent stupidity is on full display, once again&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Looks like AG&#8217;s fluorescent bile is on full display, once again. Did Sam kill his dog?</p>
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		<title>By: A. G. Tsakumis</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. G. Tsakumis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 08:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam Sullivan&#039;s incandescent stupidity is on full display, once again...

There is absolutely no way, from reading his drivel, that he either a) understands real estate; or b) understands economics.

The admitted potential loss is indeed the key.  He does not address the poorly structured, actually amateurish deal, but goes on the praise a city staffer who was mindless in support of the &quot;partner&quot; chosen, all under the supervision of Judy, the Ken Dobell lickspittle, who was a prolific mayor for the last three years.

At some point, people may want to ask Sam, since he is now claiming that it&#039;s a great deal, why he chose Millennium over Terry or Wall?  It couldn&#039;t have been just the extra money, since it is now obvious from leaked documents that there were many, Estelle Lo chief among them, who had grave concerns about the structure of this transaction.

Finally, that Sam was allowed any space on citycockus is such a non-event, considering his chief of propaganda and chief of gaffe run the crapsite.

(So, don&#039;t be too surprised Mr. Phillips, they censored reasonable opinions for three years--you think they&#039;re going to print comments openly or fairly?)

As for the Sun taking Sam&#039;s horse shit...well, how is this a surprise?

Last year, they lost the best local reporter they&#039;ve ever had because they were too busy treating her like shit, and now are left with only one reason to read their paper (Vaughn).

Otherwise, between inane, egomanical piffle from McKnight, softballs from Miro and Barbara Daffy rewriting federal Liberal speaking notes to meet her column requirements per week...Sam is an improvement!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam Sullivan&#8217;s incandescent stupidity is on full display, once again&#8230;</p>
<p>There is absolutely no way, from reading his drivel, that he either a) understands real estate; or b) understands economics.</p>
<p>The admitted potential loss is indeed the key.  He does not address the poorly structured, actually amateurish deal, but goes on the praise a city staffer who was mindless in support of the &#8220;partner&#8221; chosen, all under the supervision of Judy, the Ken Dobell lickspittle, who was a prolific mayor for the last three years.</p>
<p>At some point, people may want to ask Sam, since he is now claiming that it&#8217;s a great deal, why he chose Millennium over Terry or Wall?  It couldn&#8217;t have been just the extra money, since it is now obvious from leaked documents that there were many, Estelle Lo chief among them, who had grave concerns about the structure of this transaction.</p>
<p>Finally, that Sam was allowed any space on citycockus is such a non-event, considering his chief of propaganda and chief of gaffe run the crapsite.</p>
<p>(So, don&#8217;t be too surprised Mr. Phillips, they censored reasonable opinions for three years&#8211;you think they&#8217;re going to print comments openly or fairly?)</p>
<p>As for the Sun taking Sam&#8217;s horse shit&#8230;well, how is this a surprise?</p>
<p>Last year, they lost the best local reporter they&#8217;ve ever had because they were too busy treating her like shit, and now are left with only one reason to read their paper (Vaughn).</p>
<p>Otherwise, between inane, egomanical piffle from McKnight, softballs from Miro and Barbara Daffy rewriting federal Liberal speaking notes to meet her column requirements per week&#8230;Sam is an improvement!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Hybrid Revisited</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hybrid Revisited</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 05:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hindsight is 20/20 - no doubt and the project is most certainly a strange hybrid of left and right thinking - ie state of the art sustainability, social infrastructure married with a high risk hedge fund lender &amp; a really really tight completion schedule - yes its unique for sure! Regardless, I believe the $200 million loss is worst worst case scenario &amp; no one has a crystal ball into the future.

When Sam &amp; the NPA came to power, the bid book was done, the City already had committed to proceeding. The Developer couldn&#039;t get conventional financing because the land was owned by the City. Its not like everyone didn&#039;t try, it just wouldn&#039;t float. The project is now near completion, and the condos should &quot;hit the market&quot; on the upswing post recession. Not to mention, we have invited the entire world to see them and have guaranteed tenants for a few months. I for one think its going to work out and Vancouverites will fair well in the end. I truly believe that all this hype and hysteria hasn&#039;t helped the project and only harnessed the palpable negativity of certain interest groups. Personally, Vancouver is very close to my heart and I always wish it the same success it gave my parents when they came here with about 5 bucks in their pocket. I wish SEFC the success it really deserves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hindsight is 20/20 &#8211; no doubt and the project is most certainly a strange hybrid of left and right thinking &#8211; ie state of the art sustainability, social infrastructure married with a high risk hedge fund lender &amp; a really really tight completion schedule &#8211; yes its unique for sure! Regardless, I believe the $200 million loss is worst worst case scenario &amp; no one has a crystal ball into the future.</p>
<p>When Sam &amp; the NPA came to power, the bid book was done, the City already had committed to proceeding. The Developer couldn&#8217;t get conventional financing because the land was owned by the City. Its not like everyone didn&#8217;t try, it just wouldn&#8217;t float. The project is now near completion, and the condos should &#8220;hit the market&#8221; on the upswing post recession. Not to mention, we have invited the entire world to see them and have guaranteed tenants for a few months. I for one think its going to work out and Vancouverites will fair well in the end. I truly believe that all this hype and hysteria hasn&#8217;t helped the project and only harnessed the palpable negativity of certain interest groups. Personally, Vancouver is very close to my heart and I always wish it the same success it gave my parents when they came here with about 5 bucks in their pocket. I wish SEFC the success it really deserves.</p>
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		<title>By: condohype</title>
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		<dc:creator>condohype</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it safe to say that if the city could do this over -- that is, in setting up the deal to develop the project -- they would have done things differently?  This is where I can&#039;t follow Sam&#039;s argument.  The controversy isn&#039;t over the design of the village, it&#039;s the financing.  I&#039;ll hold hands with Sam and echo his enthusiasm for the sustainability stuff.  But by the former mayor&#039;s own admission, the city is exposed to a $200-million loss.  This is the controversy.  It&#039;s a needless loss caused by a poorly structured deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it safe to say that if the city could do this over &#8212; that is, in setting up the deal to develop the project &#8212; they would have done things differently?  This is where I can&#8217;t follow Sam&#8217;s argument.  The controversy isn&#8217;t over the design of the village, it&#8217;s the financing.  I&#8217;ll hold hands with Sam and echo his enthusiasm for the sustainability stuff.  But by the former mayor&#8217;s own admission, the city is exposed to a $200-million loss.  This is the controversy.  It&#8217;s a needless loss caused by a poorly structured deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 03:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny that there are 10 comments about Sam &quot;speaking out&quot; on this site and only one comment on the original City Caucus page. And that one comment is my own mentioning that its funny that there are no other comments, not one. They don&#039;t seem to (want to) understand what blogging is: If you hack and hack and spin and spin, and then censor or manipulate the posts you dont like for political reasons, to the point that people understand that the blog is simply partisan politics by other means, people won&#039;t participate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny that there are 10 comments about Sam &#8220;speaking out&#8221; on this site and only one comment on the original City Caucus page. And that one comment is my own mentioning that its funny that there are no other comments, not one. They don&#8217;t seem to (want to) understand what blogging is: If you hack and hack and spin and spin, and then censor or manipulate the posts you dont like for political reasons, to the point that people understand that the blog is simply partisan politics by other means, people won&#8217;t participate.</p>
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