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		<title>By: Bill Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wot &#039;bout the cameras!

  Ian Mulgrew in Vancouver Sun today 10 March 2010   
http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/2010wintergames/Good+riddance+Olympic+security+cameras/2665631/story.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wot &#8217;bout the cameras!</p>
<p>  Ian Mulgrew in Vancouver Sun today 10 March 2010<br />
<a href="http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/2010wintergames/Good+riddance+Olympic+security+cameras/2665631/story.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/2010wintergames/Good+riddance+Olympic+security+cameras/2665631/story.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gassy Jack's Ghost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gassy Jack's Ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Spartikus, I agree with that assessment. And Paul, that was kinda the point of my comment:

- Most people I know (and perhaps they represent the silent majority?) were/are ambivalent about the Games. We looked forward to the party, the spectacle, the atmosphere, and will cherish the memories, but most were/are also disgusted with VANOC and our political masters’ mortgaging our future on Big Brother-style control, the blatant hypocrisy represented by the Inner City Inclusive Agreement and Greenest Games Ever label, and the shameless corporate shilling. No matter how much fun I had, these complaints were and are still legitimate and should not be overlooked. “Bread and circuses” alone cannot sustain us.  

- The riot scenario was only to suggest that the Games succeeded purely by luck and chance (or divine intervention) and had pretty much nothing to do with VANOC and the Preem, which seemed hell bent on embarrassing the hell out of us with their constant snafus and making us look like bush leaguers. BTW, the #1 threat identified by the Security forces was never terrorism, it was street riots, and the size of the force was based on the ratio needed to contain a large riot a la 1994…

- And, as gmgw picked up on, I was invoking the 1994 riots. Thankfully, we got a Game Six-like celebration at the end of the Olympics, but it could have easily been a Game Seven nightmare. I would venture to add that the No Fun history of Vancouver was a direct result of the backlash to the Stanley Cup riot. Prior to that, Vancouver in fact was a bloody hell of a lot of fun, so much so that we were labeled “Sin City North” by the American press in the early 90s! 

Lastly, I share a similar ambivalence toward your initial comment, Paul, because you ended it with:

“Maybe all of us can start being positive about what we have here in Vancouver, rather than searching for something wrong and exaggerating our faults to the point of hyperbole and rhetoric.”

Hear, hear!

Although I’m sure many would label me a complainer who often resorts to rhetoric and hyperbole, most of my comments on this blog are founded on that very same belief of yours. I know this is off topic, but, for example, it frustrates me to no end that our politicians and Planning Department willfully ignore the immense potential and highly marketable capital that lies latent in the Historic Area, and see fit to justify destroying our history and heritage by trotting out the constant clichés, hyperbole and rhetoric that most people/press use to negatively define the DTES.

Just saying…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Spartikus, I agree with that assessment. And Paul, that was kinda the point of my comment:</p>
<p>- Most people I know (and perhaps they represent the silent majority?) were/are ambivalent about the Games. We looked forward to the party, the spectacle, the atmosphere, and will cherish the memories, but most were/are also disgusted with VANOC and our political masters’ mortgaging our future on Big Brother-style control, the blatant hypocrisy represented by the Inner City Inclusive Agreement and Greenest Games Ever label, and the shameless corporate shilling. No matter how much fun I had, these complaints were and are still legitimate and should not be overlooked. “Bread and circuses” alone cannot sustain us.  </p>
<p>- The riot scenario was only to suggest that the Games succeeded purely by luck and chance (or divine intervention) and had pretty much nothing to do with VANOC and the Preem, which seemed hell bent on embarrassing the hell out of us with their constant snafus and making us look like bush leaguers. BTW, the #1 threat identified by the Security forces was never terrorism, it was street riots, and the size of the force was based on the ratio needed to contain a large riot a la 1994…</p>
<p>- And, as gmgw picked up on, I was invoking the 1994 riots. Thankfully, we got a Game Six-like celebration at the end of the Olympics, but it could have easily been a Game Seven nightmare. I would venture to add that the No Fun history of Vancouver was a direct result of the backlash to the Stanley Cup riot. Prior to that, Vancouver in fact was a bloody hell of a lot of fun, so much so that we were labeled “Sin City North” by the American press in the early 90s! </p>
<p>Lastly, I share a similar ambivalence toward your initial comment, Paul, because you ended it with:</p>
<p>“Maybe all of us can start being positive about what we have here in Vancouver, rather than searching for something wrong and exaggerating our faults to the point of hyperbole and rhetoric.”</p>
<p>Hear, hear!</p>
<p>Although I’m sure many would label me a complainer who often resorts to rhetoric and hyperbole, most of my comments on this blog are founded on that very same belief of yours. I know this is off topic, but, for example, it frustrates me to no end that our politicians and Planning Department willfully ignore the immense potential and highly marketable capital that lies latent in the Historic Area, and see fit to justify destroying our history and heritage by trotting out the constant clichés, hyperbole and rhetoric that most people/press use to negatively define the DTES.</p>
<p>Just saying…</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before the Games, my position was that I wished they were somewhere else, but since they were coming here I was going to take part.  I was concerned that bad things would happen - because the &quot;opposition&quot; warned of it, because bad things have often happened at similar events in the past, and not least because VANOC itself was making so many apocalyptic statements about the need to show up three hours early to get into any event (although the buses didn&#039;t get there until later), expectations of the worst traffic jams ever seen, and an incredible risk of violence, with a terrorist under every bush, requiring a billion dollars of security.  It sounded - again from what VANOC was saying - like the entire city would be locked down, with a cop on every corner and three hours needed to drive a kilometre.  Then of course, the City and Province were passing these laws that said the police could break into private homes to confiscate negative signs, could drag the homeless off to shelters....  Of course, when challenged about this, they quickly said they never had any intention of actually enforcing the laws they had passed as they had written them.  Why, how could we be so silly as to think they had passed laws they intended to carry out?!  Don&#039;t we know that they pass laws drawn up in a few minutes, as the whim strikes, with no attention to the meaning of the words they used??  (That did seem to be what they were claiming...., &quot;Oops, clumsy/stupid us!  Now trust us!&quot;)

And that is where I see the &quot;opposition&quot; as having played an important role.  I suspect that if no one had pushed back and pointed out the potential abuses, there would have in fact been abuses.  As it was, the Powers that Be were forced to save face and commit ahead of time to not doing what they had given themselves authority to do.  They were also forced, by people constantly pointing out they had promised to do so, to make at least some token efforts, more or less at the last minute, to keep people housed.

That all being said, I definitely give those in charge props for doing a good job of organizing the actual events, and in almost every case acting with a proper balance of authority and restraint in the face of problems.  My fears, anyway, never came to pass, so good on them!  (Not that I want anything like this to come back any time soon!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before the Games, my position was that I wished they were somewhere else, but since they were coming here I was going to take part.  I was concerned that bad things would happen &#8211; because the &#8220;opposition&#8221; warned of it, because bad things have often happened at similar events in the past, and not least because VANOC itself was making so many apocalyptic statements about the need to show up three hours early to get into any event (although the buses didn&#8217;t get there until later), expectations of the worst traffic jams ever seen, and an incredible risk of violence, with a terrorist under every bush, requiring a billion dollars of security.  It sounded &#8211; again from what VANOC was saying &#8211; like the entire city would be locked down, with a cop on every corner and three hours needed to drive a kilometre.  Then of course, the City and Province were passing these laws that said the police could break into private homes to confiscate negative signs, could drag the homeless off to shelters&#8230;.  Of course, when challenged about this, they quickly said they never had any intention of actually enforcing the laws they had passed as they had written them.  Why, how could we be so silly as to think they had passed laws they intended to carry out?!  Don&#8217;t we know that they pass laws drawn up in a few minutes, as the whim strikes, with no attention to the meaning of the words they used??  (That did seem to be what they were claiming&#8230;., &#8220;Oops, clumsy/stupid us!  Now trust us!&#8221;)</p>
<p>And that is where I see the &#8220;opposition&#8221; as having played an important role.  I suspect that if no one had pushed back and pointed out the potential abuses, there would have in fact been abuses.  As it was, the Powers that Be were forced to save face and commit ahead of time to not doing what they had given themselves authority to do.  They were also forced, by people constantly pointing out they had promised to do so, to make at least some token efforts, more or less at the last minute, to keep people housed.</p>
<p>That all being said, I definitely give those in charge props for doing a good job of organizing the actual events, and in almost every case acting with a proper balance of authority and restraint in the face of problems.  My fears, anyway, never came to pass, so good on them!  (Not that I want anything like this to come back any time soon!)</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ spartikus @ Derrick O&#039;Keefe:  &quot;I think indigenous sovereignty and rights issues are critical, and a lot of great work has been done in exposing this reality to the international media, for instance. &quot;

I found it surprising and uplifting to see the prominence First Nations received in the opening and closing ceremonies.  Now let&#039;s move on to complete resolving outstanding issues around land claims and justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ spartikus @ Derrick O&#8217;Keefe:  &#8220;I think indigenous sovereignty and rights issues are critical, and a lot of great work has been done in exposing this reality to the international media, for instance. &#8221;</p>
<p>I found it surprising and uplifting to see the prominence First Nations received in the opening and closing ceremonies.  Now let&#8217;s move on to complete resolving outstanding issues around land claims and justice.</p>
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		<title>By: spartikus</title>
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		<dc:creator>spartikus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.straight.com/article-292384/vancouver/did-antiolympic-movement-miss-mark-focusing-stolen-aboriginal-land&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this comment&lt;/a&gt; left on the Straight by rabble.ca editor Derrick O&#039;Keefe to be one that hits the nail on the head (in fact most of the comments there are worthwhile):

&lt;i&gt;As I said at yesterday&#039;s debate, the &#039;dualism&#039; of an event like the Olympics has to be considered. It&#039;s a two-week sporting event and mass spectacle, replete with tons of free activities for the general public -- it&#039;s not the same as a three-day meeting of the world&#039;s bankers and politicians.

The fact is many if not the vast majority of those critical of the Games coming here in the first place -- who would have preferred public resources had gone to housing, health care, education etc -- still enjoy watching the world&#039;s greatest hockey players, or going out to see a free show, or just walking about and seeing and meeting folks from around the world.

I think this dualism was missed or underestimated by some of us, and as a result opportunities for creative outreach around a range of social justice issues have been given less energy than they might have.

But there have been some great successes. I think indigenous sovereignty and rights issues are critical, and a lot of great work has been done in exposing this reality to the international media, for instance. The Tent Village and the Red Tents campaign have been brilliant in drawing attention to the homelessness crisis. But more like that could have been done, for sure.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found <a href="http://www.straight.com/article-292384/vancouver/did-antiolympic-movement-miss-mark-focusing-stolen-aboriginal-land" rel="nofollow">this comment</a> left on the Straight by rabble.ca editor Derrick O&#8217;Keefe to be one that hits the nail on the head (in fact most of the comments there are worthwhile):</p>
<p><i>As I said at yesterday&#8217;s debate, the &#8216;dualism&#8217; of an event like the Olympics has to be considered. It&#8217;s a two-week sporting event and mass spectacle, replete with tons of free activities for the general public &#8212; it&#8217;s not the same as a three-day meeting of the world&#8217;s bankers and politicians.</p>
<p>The fact is many if not the vast majority of those critical of the Games coming here in the first place &#8212; who would have preferred public resources had gone to housing, health care, education etc &#8212; still enjoy watching the world&#8217;s greatest hockey players, or going out to see a free show, or just walking about and seeing and meeting folks from around the world.</p>
<p>I think this dualism was missed or underestimated by some of us, and as a result opportunities for creative outreach around a range of social justice issues have been given less energy than they might have.</p>
<p>But there have been some great successes. I think indigenous sovereignty and rights issues are critical, and a lot of great work has been done in exposing this reality to the international media, for instance. The Tent Village and the Red Tents campaign have been brilliant in drawing attention to the homelessness crisis. But more like that could have been done, for sure.</i></p>
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		<title>By: mezzanine</title>
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		<dc:creator>mezzanine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prior to the games, I neither really was for them or against them.  I did like the canada line that was built, but did not buy any tickets, buy anything from the Bay or plan anything for the olympics.

Starting with the sunny middle stretch something palpable changed in the city, and my attitude changed with it.  On a fluke, I bought standby tickets at the tourist office at face value  to ice dancing long-program (total, marvelous fluke), and went to some cultural olympiad events.  i do think the olympics were a transformative event for the city in an overall positive way.

and on a related note, I was at work on saturday when I heard about the window smashing on georgia street.  and as a long-time vancouverite, i felt a very strong and palpable anger against the instigators. IMO this event will set them back further that they expect...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prior to the games, I neither really was for them or against them.  I did like the canada line that was built, but did not buy any tickets, buy anything from the Bay or plan anything for the olympics.</p>
<p>Starting with the sunny middle stretch something palpable changed in the city, and my attitude changed with it.  On a fluke, I bought standby tickets at the tourist office at face value  to ice dancing long-program (total, marvelous fluke), and went to some cultural olympiad events.  i do think the olympics were a transformative event for the city in an overall positive way.</p>
<p>and on a related note, I was at work on saturday when I heard about the window smashing on georgia street.  and as a long-time vancouverite, i felt a very strong and palpable anger against the instigators. IMO this event will set them back further that they expect&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon gmgw!

We&#039;re discussing the hypothetical spin of hypothetical headlines of a hypothetical worst-case scenario for an event that already happened without incident.

Really? 
Why? 
Where will this get us? 
What&#039;s the lesson? 

Be sure to win big hockey games or lunatics will tear apart the city? 

Don&#039;t let local teams play in big hockey games?

No more hockey? 

How about no more cheering?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon gmgw!</p>
<p>We&#8217;re discussing the hypothetical spin of hypothetical headlines of a hypothetical worst-case scenario for an event that already happened without incident.</p>
<p>Really?<br />
Why?<br />
Where will this get us?<br />
What&#8217;s the lesson? </p>
<p>Be sure to win big hockey games or lunatics will tear apart the city? </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let local teams play in big hockey games?</p>
<p>No more hockey? </p>
<p>How about no more cheering?</p>
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		<title>By: gmgw</title>
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		<dc:creator>gmgw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GJG somewhat apocalyptically postulated:

&quot;Vancouver could have just as easily been torn to shreds by a mob of angry testosterone-fuelled drunk guys that would have made the anarchists look like a bunch of old ladies in red mittens...&quot;

Given that it became clear, toward the Games&#039; end, that our national self-repect is so utterly fragile, that this country is so pathologically insecure,  that something as banal as losing a hockey game would apparently be capable of potentially wreaking serious and even permanent damage upon our collective national psyche, perhaps leading to civil unrest or even outbreaks of mass suicide (&quot;...the shame! The burning, unbearable shame! We... were... (choke) SECOND!! Beaten at our national game... by the cursed, unworthy Americans!! Oh, God in heaven... this cannot be forborne! Atonement must be sought! Expiation! Expiaaationnnn!!&quot;), I, hearkening back to 1994, somewhat anticipated the possibility of said riot myself, GJG, with rather mixed feelings (sometimes feelings just gotta be vented. Unhealthy to bottle &#039;em up. Clears the air).  

But let me ask you this: In the aftermath, as the the smoking rubble that was once Robson Street was combed for red-clad survivors, do you suppose the perpetrators would have been denounced by officialdom and in the media and in on-line discussion groups as &quot;anarchists&quot; or &quot;terrorists&quot;? Or just a bunch of patriotic good ol&#039; Canadian boys who got a bit carried away? Makes me wonder.
gmgw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GJG somewhat apocalyptically postulated:</p>
<p>&#8220;Vancouver could have just as easily been torn to shreds by a mob of angry testosterone-fuelled drunk guys that would have made the anarchists look like a bunch of old ladies in red mittens&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Given that it became clear, toward the Games&#8217; end, that our national self-repect is so utterly fragile, that this country is so pathologically insecure,  that something as banal as losing a hockey game would apparently be capable of potentially wreaking serious and even permanent damage upon our collective national psyche, perhaps leading to civil unrest or even outbreaks of mass suicide (&#8220;&#8230;the shame! The burning, unbearable shame! We&#8230; were&#8230; (choke) SECOND!! Beaten at our national game&#8230; by the cursed, unworthy Americans!! Oh, God in heaven&#8230; this cannot be forborne! Atonement must be sought! Expiation! Expiaaationnnn!!&#8221;), I, hearkening back to 1994, somewhat anticipated the possibility of said riot myself, GJG, with rather mixed feelings (sometimes feelings just gotta be vented. Unhealthy to bottle &#8216;em up. Clears the air).  </p>
<p>But let me ask you this: In the aftermath, as the the smoking rubble that was once Robson Street was combed for red-clad survivors, do you suppose the perpetrators would have been denounced by officialdom and in the media and in on-line discussion groups as &#8220;anarchists&#8221; or &#8220;terrorists&#8221;? Or just a bunch of patriotic good ol&#8217; Canadian boys who got a bit carried away? Makes me wonder.<br />
gmgw</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I were originally moderately against the games, notably on concerns about their impact on future health care budgets.

But in the end we were won over, not necessarily by the medals (though several individuals and competitions were absolutely riveting and got our attention), but by the vibe on the street, and the glimpse into Vancouver&#039;s potential future, should we make wise decisions over the next couple of decades.

My concerns about health care remain, but they predated the games.  And no matter how much a government thinks it can prioritize freeways and sports over healthcare, we Boomers remain the largest voting block in history and can be very nasty to any politician who cuts back just when we need the system the most.

We Boomers also have to accept responsibility for taking care of ourselves, and paying for the big party that was put on credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I were originally moderately against the games, notably on concerns about their impact on future health care budgets.</p>
<p>But in the end we were won over, not necessarily by the medals (though several individuals and competitions were absolutely riveting and got our attention), but by the vibe on the street, and the glimpse into Vancouver&#8217;s potential future, should we make wise decisions over the next couple of decades.</p>
<p>My concerns about health care remain, but they predated the games.  And no matter how much a government thinks it can prioritize freeways and sports over healthcare, we Boomers remain the largest voting block in history and can be very nasty to any politician who cuts back just when we need the system the most.</p>
<p>We Boomers also have to accept responsibility for taking care of ourselves, and paying for the big party that was put on credit.</p>
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		<title>By: gmgw</title>
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		<dc:creator>gmgw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;gmgw,

Your hauteur, as per usual, is riveting....&quot;

I&#039;m a little fuzzy today, HW. Are you saying that this is a *good* thing?
gmgw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;gmgw,</p>
<p>Your hauteur, as per usual, is riveting&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little fuzzy today, HW. Are you saying that this is a *good* thing?<br />
gmgw</p>
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