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	<title>Comments on: Why the side streets aren&#8217;t being ploughed etc: the Louie report</title>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this belly-aching about cars getting stuck on side streets.  

Admittedly, many were in bad condition - mine included. However, putting snow tires on your car is a huge help, folks. I did not get stuck once and I live at the top of a hellish hill. I learned to drive in a Montreal winter and that helped enormously as well.

I have no time for any Vancouver resident who whines about snow if they have lived in any other place in Canada (including an hour north or east of Vancouver) where snow is the norm in winter. 

It&#039;s winter. There&#039;s snow. If you can&#039;t drive in it due to lack of preparation or skill... take transit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this belly-aching about cars getting stuck on side streets.  </p>
<p>Admittedly, many were in bad condition &#8211; mine included. However, putting snow tires on your car is a huge help, folks. I did not get stuck once and I live at the top of a hellish hill. I learned to drive in a Montreal winter and that helped enormously as well.</p>
<p>I have no time for any Vancouver resident who whines about snow if they have lived in any other place in Canada (including an hour north or east of Vancouver) where snow is the norm in winter. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s winter. There&#8217;s snow. If you can&#8217;t drive in it due to lack of preparation or skill&#8230; take transit.</p>
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		<title>By: Gord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s almost all gone now.  But it&#039;ll probably be back.  You all expect that the city should have learned some lessons and will probably do a better job, right?

The question is, what about you?  What will you do differently?  What spots around your home will you make an extra effort to keep clear?   Who will you make sure isn&#039;t stranded, without food or meds, in their homes?  Do you know EXACTLY where that catch basin is now?

Time to take responsibility instead of giving blame.  That&#039;s how you make a better community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s almost all gone now.  But it&#8217;ll probably be back.  You all expect that the city should have learned some lessons and will probably do a better job, right?</p>
<p>The question is, what about you?  What will you do differently?  What spots around your home will you make an extra effort to keep clear?   Who will you make sure isn&#8217;t stranded, without food or meds, in their homes?  Do you know EXACTLY where that catch basin is now?</p>
<p>Time to take responsibility instead of giving blame.  That&#8217;s how you make a better community.</p>
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		<title>By: Raphael Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raphael Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wagamuffin,

Many thanks for this link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wagamuffin,</p>
<p>Many thanks for this link.</p>
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		<title>By: Wagamuffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wagamuffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Raphael;

Here is tonight&#039;s YouTube TransLink Overnight Report (2009-01-04)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAIeTg4hIPI

Best thing to do is check around 6 or 6am tomorrow on You Tube at TransLinkInfo.

May need to take a snow day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Raphael;</p>
<p>Here is tonight&#8217;s YouTube TransLink Overnight Report (2009-01-04)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAIeTg4hIPI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAIeTg4hIPI</a></p>
<p>Best thing to do is check around 6 or 6am tomorrow on You Tube at TransLinkInfo.</p>
<p>May need to take a snow day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Snowmageddon continues to hit Vancouver, again &#171; East of Main</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snowmageddon continues to hit Vancouver, again &#171; East of Main</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more than expected due to all that extra white powder we received.  I highly suggest reading her commentary as she discusses why the side streets haven&#8217;t been ploughed as well as the main streets.  My [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] more than expected due to all that extra white powder we received.  I highly suggest reading her commentary as she discusses why the side streets haven&#8217;t been ploughed as well as the main streets.  My [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Morten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this whole thing rather strange. It&#039;s not like this is the first time it snows in Vancouver and it&#039;s not like Vancouver is the only town where they get snow. Where I come from (Oslo, Norway) they don&#039;t have any problems clearing the roads. Why? Because they run two or three ploughs in tandem one right behind the other so they can clear an entire road in one sweep. And people are responsible for clearing the plough-piles in front of their driveways and digging out their cars themselves.

The main problem here is that there is way too much focus on salt and way too little focus on actually dealing with the snow. Salting the snow just leads to slush and insanely slippery conditions (not to mention destroyed cars). If they were removing the snow from the get go the situation wouldn&#039;t be as bad. It&#039;s been snowing for a good 5 hours here in Metrotown and I have yet to see a single plough on Kingsway. Had they started clearing the roads when the snow started, there wouldn&#039;t be total chaos the next morning. But since they didn&#039;t, it&#039;s now going to be hellish to get out.

The people responsible for clearing the snow in the Lower Mainland should take a trip to cities that have a lot of snow and see how they do it rather than try to reinvent the wheel - cuz right now the wheel they are working on is square.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this whole thing rather strange. It&#8217;s not like this is the first time it snows in Vancouver and it&#8217;s not like Vancouver is the only town where they get snow. Where I come from (Oslo, Norway) they don&#8217;t have any problems clearing the roads. Why? Because they run two or three ploughs in tandem one right behind the other so they can clear an entire road in one sweep. And people are responsible for clearing the plough-piles in front of their driveways and digging out their cars themselves.</p>
<p>The main problem here is that there is way too much focus on salt and way too little focus on actually dealing with the snow. Salting the snow just leads to slush and insanely slippery conditions (not to mention destroyed cars). If they were removing the snow from the get go the situation wouldn&#8217;t be as bad. It&#8217;s been snowing for a good 5 hours here in Metrotown and I have yet to see a single plough on Kingsway. Had they started clearing the roads when the snow started, there wouldn&#8217;t be total chaos the next morning. But since they didn&#8217;t, it&#8217;s now going to be hellish to get out.</p>
<p>The people responsible for clearing the snow in the Lower Mainland should take a trip to cities that have a lot of snow and see how they do it rather than try to reinvent the wheel &#8211; cuz right now the wheel they are working on is square.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek K. Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek K. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burnaby does plough side streets when the clearing of major roads is sufficient and time permits. One of the streets on our corner was ploughed several times in December; the less-used street out front, once. But neither has been done in some time since the snow kept coming up here on the north brow of the hill near Metrotown.

We now have more snow accumulated here than I have ever seen in 37 years of living in this neighbourhood. We have good snow tires on our little car, but this evening even those weren&#039;t sufficient to get around safely:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/penmachine/sets/72157612124808076/

But the main roads, parking lots, gas stations, and such have remained passable if you know what you&#039;re doing (which many people don&#039;t). Kingsway remains a good way to get across the area, since it follows the least drastic slope of the old horse trail between Vancouver and New West. And walking works just fine.

It would be nice if the rain did come. I never thought I&#039;d say that in winter in this city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burnaby does plough side streets when the clearing of major roads is sufficient and time permits. One of the streets on our corner was ploughed several times in December; the less-used street out front, once. But neither has been done in some time since the snow kept coming up here on the north brow of the hill near Metrotown.</p>
<p>We now have more snow accumulated here than I have ever seen in 37 years of living in this neighbourhood. We have good snow tires on our little car, but this evening even those weren&#8217;t sufficient to get around safely:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/penmachine/sets/72157612124808076/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/penmachine/sets/72157612124808076/</a></p>
<p>But the main roads, parking lots, gas stations, and such have remained passable if you know what you&#8217;re doing (which many people don&#8217;t). Kingsway remains a good way to get across the area, since it follows the least drastic slope of the old horse trail between Vancouver and New West. And walking works just fine.</p>
<p>It would be nice if the rain did come. I never thought I&#8217;d say that in winter in this city.</p>
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		<title>By: Raphael Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raphael Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;You do, of course, know that you have also just done a very nice bit of cut-and-paste wurlitzering for the former mayor’s chief-of-staff…..&lt;/i&gt;

No, I didn&#039;t know that. And why put quotes around my concern? You doubt the veracity of my claims?

Forgive my ignorance, I only discovered the blog I quoted yesterday.

By the way, many thanks to Frances for this page being a focal point for the current snow crisis. It is snowing again outside and I hear rumours that the buses and skytrains have been diverted, delayed, or shut down altogether. Any news on this from ears closer to the ground?

More to the point:

Am I going to be able to get to work tomorrow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You do, of course, know that you have also just done a very nice bit of cut-and-paste wurlitzering for the former mayor’s chief-of-staff…..</i></p>
<p>No, I didn&#8217;t know that. And why put quotes around my concern? You doubt the veracity of my claims?</p>
<p>Forgive my ignorance, I only discovered the blog I quoted yesterday.</p>
<p>By the way, many thanks to Frances for this page being a focal point for the current snow crisis. It is snowing again outside and I hear rumours that the buses and skytrains have been diverted, delayed, or shut down altogether. Any news on this from ears closer to the ground?</p>
<p>More to the point:</p>
<p>Am I going to be able to get to work tomorrow?</p>
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		<title>By: Wagamuffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wagamuffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, Ross,

Because people might disagree with you,  or your defence of the current regime, you immediatley accuse them of supporting blogs with which you don&#039;t happen to agree.

Frankly, we need an &#039;unofficial&#039; opposition to keep the current crop on their toes. While there may be no love lost between many and the editors and contibutors to citycaucus,  it&#039;s the nature of the game.

You&#039;re telling me that many bloggers who poked, unmercifully at times,  at the NPA council, weren&#039;t supportive of Vision? Puh-leeze. 

Why, I believe  one of them has even gone on to work as a communications poohbah (syncophantic solipcist?)  in the Mayor&#039;s office. ;-)...Fancy that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, Ross,</p>
<p>Because people might disagree with you,  or your defence of the current regime, you immediatley accuse them of supporting blogs with which you don&#8217;t happen to agree.</p>
<p>Frankly, we need an &#8216;unofficial&#8217; opposition to keep the current crop on their toes. While there may be no love lost between many and the editors and contibutors to citycaucus,  it&#8217;s the nature of the game.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re telling me that many bloggers who poked, unmercifully at times,  at the NPA council, weren&#8217;t supportive of Vision? Puh-leeze. </p>
<p>Why, I believe  one of them has even gone on to work as a communications poohbah (syncophantic solipcist?)  in the Mayor&#8217;s office. <img src='http://www.francesbula.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230;Fancy that!</p>
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		<title>By: RossK</title>
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		<dc:creator>RossK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raph--

As usual, your &#039;concern&#039; is overwhelming.

You do, of course, know that you have also just done a very nice bit of cut-and-paste wurlitzering for the former mayor&#039;s chief-of-staff.....

Which means that you too are now part of the propagammon....

Nice job.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raph&#8211;</p>
<p>As usual, your &#8216;concern&#8217; is overwhelming.</p>
<p>You do, of course, know that you have also just done a very nice bit of cut-and-paste wurlitzering for the former mayor&#8217;s chief-of-staff&#8230;..</p>
<p>Which means that you too are now part of the propagammon&#8230;.</p>
<p>Nice job.</p>
<p>.</p>
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